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ArdWrknTrk

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I'm not sure what the seal is for a D61, but JBG lists the traditional type seal as National 9864S (same seal for Dana 60)
3.882 OD 2.875 ID .413 depth.

Do a Scotseal or a Speedisleeve....
There's no point in trying to force a Scotseal over a sleeve.
Scotseals get installed with RTV to the shaft (axle housing) so the ID surface really doesn't matter.

Gary says he has had good service from Torqueking for parts.
I doubt you will have luck at the LAP store, though if you are familiar with a bearing house or powertrain shop they could probably hook you up.

Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.

Gary Lewis

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Yes, Torque King is my go-to place.

Gary, AKA "Gary fellow": Profile

Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker & 10.25 Sterling/Trutrac, Blue Top & Borgeson, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

AmericanSavage

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ArdWrknTrk wrote

I'm not sure what the seal is for a D61, but JBG lists the traditional type seal as National 9864S (same seal for Dana 60)
3.882 OD 2.875 ID .413 depth.

Do a Scotseal or a Speedisleeve....
There's no point in trying to force a Scotseal over a sleeve.
Scotseals get installed with RTV to the shaft (axle housing) so the ID surface really doesn't matter.

Gary says he has had good service from Torqueking for parts.
I doubt you will have luck at the LAP store, though if you are familiar with a bearing house or powertrain shop they could probably hook you up.

I just watched a video on the scotseal….I had a different sense of what they did—so thank you!

If the sleeve does not work—as in does not fit, I will go for the scotseal.

I calipered the spindle, and order the sleeve that is supposed to work within the three measurements I recorded. We shall see.

Gary—I am impressed with TK! What a great site. Better than Rock! Bookmarking.

1980 Ford XLT F350
400 Engine (rebuilt to 406)
Holley 2300 500 CFM manual Choke Carb
Under Restore (1st time)

Gary Lewis

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You can call TK and someone not only answers but knows what he’s talking about. I had two oil seals, same size but slightly different. He told me which one went where.

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AmericanSavage

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You can call TK and someone not only answers but knows what he’s talking about. I had two oil seals, same size but slightly different. He told me which one went where.

I will be ordering. I finally found a the bearing and retainer that I could not find at Rock (that I noted in my front axle thread)—not even with parts list E0tz numbers at TK! AS A SET! Excellent! This was my last piece I needed for the right side.

https://torqueking.com/product/42109/qu42109-timken-wheel-or-axle-shaft-bearing-with-lock-ring/

1980 Ford XLT F350
400 Engine (rebuilt to 406)
Holley 2300 500 CFM manual Choke Carb
Under Restore (1st time)

AmericanSavage

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Got the sleeve on this morning, and set the drum in place. I packed the bearings with a light grease as Light recommends. Will torque down later as the sleeve needs to set—added a little red loctite to it.

I heated the sleeve in the oven at 200, and given it was difficult to find a tube/pvc/exhaust pipe that fit right, used this reinforced cardboard tube a guy gave to me at NAPA. It worked great.

The spec for this is odd to me: T to 50-80 ft lbs, then back off, and torque again to 120-140.

I was expecting a 2-9/16 nut here….but instead I found this. I had the tool that I bought for my Dads 73 chevy at 16 still on me, and it worked—6 ear socket. Maybe this is better than the nut and the plastic/metal locking key?

At any rate, pics:

1980 Ford XLT F350
400 Engine (rebuilt to 406)
Holley 2300 500 CFM manual Choke Carb
Under Restore (1st time)

Gary Lewis

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On the torque specs, are you sure the "120 - 140" isn't inch pounds? Typically the 50 - 80 ft-lbs is to set the bearing and then you come back and tighten down "snugish", which 120 - 140 in lbs or 10 - 12 ft lbs would do.

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AmericanSavage

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On the torque specs, are you sure the "120 - 140" isn't inch pounds? Typically the 50 - 80 ft-lbs is to set the bearing and then you come back and tighten down "snugish", which 120 - 140 in lbs or 10 - 12 ft lbs would do.

I thought that sounded wayyyyyyyy too high too. But look at Light 11-14-3, points 18 and 19. Clearly FOOT lbs noted. Is this a typo?

p.s.—really sick of seeing things made in Chyna.

1980 Ford XLT F350
400 Engine (rebuilt to 406)
Holley 2300 500 CFM manual Choke Carb
Under Restore (1st time)

Gary Lewis

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I'm looking at a different manual as this is on 11-14-2. But it says:

19. While rotating the wheel, tighten the adjusting nut to 163-189 N • m (120-140 ft. lb.) using special tool Hex Locknut Wrench T70T-4252-D or Octal Locknut Wrench T70T-4252-E. Back off the adjusting nut enough to get a 0.025-0.254 mm (0.001-0.010 inch) end play. This should require 1/8 to 3/8 turn. Position the locking wedge in the key way slot and pound wedge into position (Fig. 6)

Doesn't yours say to back it off?

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AmericanSavage

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Gary Lewis wrote

I'm looking at a different manual as this is on 11-14-2. But it says:

19. While rotating the wheel, tighten the adjusting nut to 163-189 N • m (120-140 ft. lb.) using special tool Hex Locknut Wrench T70T-4252-D or Octal Locknut Wrench T70T-4252-E. Back off the adjusting nut enough to get a 0.025-0.254 mm (0.001-0.010 inch) end play. This should require 1/8 to 3/8 turn. Position the locking wedge in the key way slot and pound wedge into position (Fig. 6)

Doesn't yours say to back it off?

Yes, after reaching the 120, it says back it off until there is appropriate end play. At the moment, it is sitting as you described above to the lower torque spec, then backed it off to the next ear slot I would bend over ear. I did not have to back it off far. I can redo it, but that is where it sits now.

I should say, the nut I could take off by hand, it was that loose, when I first tore into the rear end there.

1980 Ford XLT F350
400 Engine (rebuilt to 406)
Holley 2300 500 CFM manual Choke Carb
Under Restore (1st time)

Gary Lewis

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If you backed off to the next slot you should be good.

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AmericanSavage

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If you backed off to the next slot you should be good.

I seriously owe you and Jim beverage of your choice--even if it's Grape Nehi, it's on me.

1980 Ford XLT F350
400 Engine (rebuilt to 406)
Holley 2300 500 CFM manual Choke Carb
Under Restore (1st time)

Gary Lewis

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Just here to help. But I wouldn't mind one of Radar's favorites.

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AmericanSavage

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Just here to help. But I wouldn't mind one of Radar's favorites.

Ha! You caught the reference!

1980 Ford XLT F350
400 Engine (rebuilt to 406)
Holley 2300 500 CFM manual Choke Carb
Under Restore (1st time)

Gary Lewis

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And, what's his first name?

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ArdWrknTrk

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That sleeve looks like it will do the trick.
Be very careful not to knick your new seal getting it over that edge.

Thank you!

I try to help when I can, but I don't know much about the D61 (specifically)

Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.

grumpin

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Gary Lewis wrote

And, what's his first name?

Walter.

Dane
1986 F250HD SC XLT Lariat 4x4 460 C6-Sold
1992 Bronco XLT 4x4 351W E4OD
1998 GMC Sierra SLE K1500 350 4L60E
Arizona

Gary Lewis

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Yes, my grandfather’s name, Walter, as Radar, but an even better name in real life. Decoding it would be “brave warrior” in a “castle courtyard “: Gary Burghoff.

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AmericanSavage

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Driver’s side looks much better.

Did not have time to finish it off—rain.

I do have one concern: I have an inner wheel bearing RACE that seems to be loose, and spins a little inside the hub. Everything from the bearing to the race looks good in terms of wear—someone definitely put in new bearings before I got it. But, I do not think the race should have any slop in it. New rear hub may be in my future?

Will test brakes, I hope this weekend.

Cheers to you, and you beat me to Walter! Now, I am going to get my Grape Nehi and relax.

1980 Ford XLT F350
400 Engine (rebuilt to 406)
Holley 2300 500 CFM manual Choke Carb
Under Restore (1st time)

ArdWrknTrk

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Obviously someone was in there changing bearings if they cut a race off the other side.

You say that the race moves around in the hub?
Is there any radial play at all?
Is there any marks or scoring that makes you think it spun?

If it's just a slip fit with no play I would probably install with bearing retainer.
There's a reason Loctite and Permatex sell these green formulas.

Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.

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