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firefire

Re: Fixing Eddie

Hi.
I banged it and heated it up too. Did not help

I will try again tomorrow with a bigger puller.

Stein.
1986 Bronco Eddie Bauer, 5,8L, 3 speed Autom.Tr
1996 F350 , 7,3L Powerstroke, 4wd, 5 speed Man. Tr.

Gary Lewis

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I'll bet the bigger puller and a bit of banging will get it. Good luck!

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Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker & 10.25 Sterling/Trutrac, Blue Top & Borgeson, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

ArdWrknTrk

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In reply to this post by firefire

I've never had to heat a pitman arm, but I do hit them at the side of the taper as hard as I can with a hammer of about 1.5kg.

Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.

firefire

Re: Fixing Eddie

Hi. The heating was the last hope🙂. Now it sucks rust remover waiting for the big puller. Lucky those of you with summer temps. Wiew of the fjords

Stein.
1986 Bronco Eddie Bauer, 5,8L, 3 speed Autom.Tr
1996 F350 , 7,3L Powerstroke, 4wd, 5 speed Man. Tr.

Gary Lewis

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That looks COLD! Outside here the birds are singing and the sun is about to come up on a glorious Spring day. Flowers blooming, trees leafing out, and the grass is saying "mow me!"

Gary, AKA "Gary fellow": Profile

firefire

Re: Fixing Eddie

Hi.
Its not so cold. Slightly over freezing point. Have not done much today. Took apart and cleaned the filter for the steering gear oil.There was some dirt.

Then I went to work and found me a better puller. This one pulled the pitman arm off easily.

The plan is to get the Blue Top in place tomorrow. The weather is to bad for Eddie so there is no hurry🙂

Stein.
1986 Bronco Eddie Bauer, 5,8L, 3 speed Autom.Tr
1996 F350 , 7,3L Powerstroke, 4wd, 5 speed Man. Tr.

firefire

Re: Fixing Eddie

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Hi.
The weather has finally shifted to spring ( we hope ). Several things came together this last week. First I got the new steering gear in place. That is pretty straight forward.

With the help of my wife I flushed some oil through. The most troublesome issue was to fasten the oilcooler to the cross member. There was a little bending before it would clear all obstacles. I had painted it black but it ended scratched up before I got it fastened the way I wanted. Used a washer under the clips to create space between the oilcooler and the cross member.

Then I got a new sensor for my AEM AFR gauge. This is sold as an original Bosch.

The plug to the right is Bosch. So I put in the new sensor and started Eddie. And it works

So I was very excited when I hit the road. Would the steering be better ? Would the AEM work more then 5 minutes ?
The steering. Can only say impressive. 10 out of 10. The Blue Top brought Eddie into year 2000.
And the AEM worked the whole trip. Eddie ran pretty rich. So I put in a step bigger metering rods in my Street Demon. Now the readings were at idle 12,8, cruising at 20mph 12,4, 30mph 12,4, 50mph 12,5.
Still rich ? Picture from the trip. Wife driving.

Now I have to run. A norwegian soccer team ( Bodø Glimt ) is in Rome to play against Roma. Its like David vs Goliat. The problem for Roma is that Bodø Glimt has beaten them twice before and one draw. Greetings Stein

Stein.
1986 Bronco Eddie Bauer, 5,8L, 3 speed Autom.Tr
1996 F350 , 7,3L Powerstroke, 4wd, 5 speed Man. Tr.

Gary Lewis

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Excellent! Love the report that everything works.

Glad to see that the Blue Top is such an improvement. John/Machspeed just put one on his truck and hopes to have it on the road this weekend, and I'll bet we get another good report.

As for the AEM, glad it is working, but you should see 14.4:1 at cruise. So you are still quite rich.

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ArdWrknTrk

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Stoichiometric is still quite rich under cruise.
I wish I had an AFM with the original 4180 on my truck.

Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.

firefire

Re: Fixing Eddie

Hi.
Had to look up stoichiometric

. Støkiometri in norwegian. Read a norwegian explanation to try to understand what it is. Succeded partly

I agree its to rich. Will try next bigger metering rod tomorrow. Timing is at 12 btdc.
And Bodø Glimt lost 0 -4 to Roma

Greetings Stein.

Stein.
1986 Bronco Eddie Bauer, 5,8L, 3 speed Autom.Tr
1996 F350 , 7,3L Powerstroke, 4wd, 5 speed Man. Tr.

Gary Lewis

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First, I was wrong. 14.4 is not right for stoichiometric. For pure gasoline it is roughly 14.7:1, but that varies by the type of gas and whether or not it has ethanol in it.

Second, the book Designing & Tuning High Performance Fuel Injection Systems has several charts that are informative. Here's the one on max fuel economy, and while it shows that max economy is at 15.4 it also says that "there is almost no difference in raw fuel economy between stoichiometry and leaner mixtures."

However, that maximizes NOx, as shown below. (Lambda is also soiciometric.)

And then there's max power.:

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StraightSix

Re: Fixing Eddie

Stein,
Consider the possibility that the gasoline available to you may be different that what is commonly available in north America. I dont know if it is or not :/ most gasoline has a stoichiometric mixture in the range of 14.5-14.7 depending on contents like ethanol (alcohol) which is common here. Common US gasoline grades are 87, 89 and 93 octane. Eddies engine would have. Come from the factory set up for 87 octane.

Maybe all of this is obvious, if so I apologize.

I am aiming for 14-15 at highway speeds while cruising (45-65), and 12.5 or so at wide open throttle.

I have found a vacuum gage to be just as useful for tuning my carberator as the A/F gage.

To me, it sounds like you are a little rich across the board. You might even experience better driveability if you can get it a little leaner.

Good luck! I always enjoy reading your posts.

1984 Bronco, mild built 300-6, Np435, 3.55 gears, 8.8 rear with Eaton TrueTrac, D44 TTB front, 31" tires, Duraspark II, Offy C, EFI manifolds, Holley 390, No AC, 3G alternator, front receiver

ArdWrknTrk

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One difference is that in the US we use R+M/2
So octane ratings aren't the same in the rest of the world.

When the new corn subsidies go through and Americans start seeing 15% ethanol fuel I think I'm going to have to dial back my vacuum advance. I'm on the jagged edge as it is now.

Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.

StraightSix

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Gary - that information is very interesting. it looks like I should be aiming for 14.5 -15 for cruise, though realistically I havent been able to get my carb to meter fuel in a range that tight yet. I float from 13.8 to 15.5 (90% of the time between 14-14.5) depending on grade and moon phase (

), and Im sure exact ambient conditions play a large factor as well. I suspect a more practical approach to carb tuning might be to do everything you can to generate stable intake air conditions (thermostatically controlled intake), then jet and adjust the carb such that you never go leaner that 15-15.5 at cruise.

1984 Bronco, mild built 300-6, Np435, 3.55 gears, 8.8 rear with Eaton TrueTrac, D44 TTB front, 31" tires, Duraspark II, Offy C, EFI manifolds, Holley 390, No AC, 3G alternator, front receiver

Gary Lewis

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I agree with that approach - although I'd suggest testing your engine/meter combination to see how it works at certain reported AFR readings. I say that because I'm told that the AFR meters themselves vary, and that how far you put your O2 sensor from the cylinders varies the reading.

On Big Blue I saw 16:1 at times w/o adverse effects, although anything leaner caused the power output to wane and I had to give it more throttle which popped the rods up and provided a richer mix. But with a different meter on David/1986F150Six's truck I saw 17:1 w/o a noticeable loss or power or pinging. So the meter and the installation in the exhaust makes a difference and you should find out what your engine likes before setting a goal.

As for a tight range, I've never been able to get that to happen with a carb. The AFR varies by speed, RPM, load, etc. I gave up trying to adjust for anything between idle and 55 MPH as that seemed futile. And at 55 and up it varied from 14 to 16 depending on the speed, hill, wind, etc.

So I wound up picking a stretch of highway that was level and trying to get it to mid-14's on that stretch at 65 MPH with no wind. Then I'd see it go leaner as I gave it a bit of throttle to climb a hill - until the rods popped up and made it richer. But I'd see it go richer as the speed dropped off down towards 55 MPH. And even that description is much too tame as the AFR was very active.

Given all that you can see one of the reasons I'm going EFI. It'll have a target of something like 15:1 and should hold that until it is time for the power mode, wherein it should come in around 12:1. (Where's the fingers-crossed emoticon???)

Gary, AKA "Gary fellow": Profile

firefire

Re: Fixing Eddie

Hi all. Went for a test drive today. Now I had installed the two thickest metering rods.
At 40 mph cruising average reading 13,4. About the same at 50 mph. It is as Gary says the readings goes up and down constantly . Slightest shift in circumstances changes the reading. One observation like Garys. When increasing the throttle a little to keep the speed stable up a slight hill I got a stable reading for awhile of 13,5. Fuel consumption is down about 10%. To get it leaner I must change to smaller primary metering jets. They are in the same plastic box as the metering rods. The manual for the Street Demon is well written . In the manual they suggest 13,5:1 is good for steady state cruising. Any thoughts on that ?
Our gas is 95 with 5% ethanol or 98 without ethanol. I use both. Greetings Stein

Stein.
1986 Bronco Eddie Bauer, 5,8L, 3 speed Autom.Tr
1996 F350 , 7,3L Powerstroke, 4wd, 5 speed Man. Tr.

Gary Lewis

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I think you are still too rich and are burning too much fuel. But you should check the AFR at a higher speed if you can since I've seen it lean out some above 50 MPH. If it stays around 13.5 I'd go ahead and change to smaller jets and see if you can get it to 14.5 to 15 at about 65.

However, I should ask what speeds you drive at? I've not driven out in the country, although I have in Stavanger, but from what I've seen the roads seemed fairly small with few straight sections. So do you get up to 65?

Gary, AKA "Gary fellow": Profile

firefire

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Hi. Around here max speed is 50 mph. 65 only on special occasions.
Stein.

Stein.
1986 Bronco Eddie Bauer, 5,8L, 3 speed Autom.Tr
1996 F350 , 7,3L Powerstroke, 4wd, 5 speed Man. Tr.

Gary Lewis

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Then I'd aim for 14.5 - 15 at 50 MPH.

Gary, AKA "Gary fellow": Profile

firefire

Re: Fixing Eddie

Hi.
Took Eddie out this morning for a test drive. AFR readings are hovering around 13,3 at all speeds from 20 - 65 mph.
At idle 13,3
Engine 100% warmed up.
When accelerating normally afr starts at 11,4.
So the saga goes on🙂

Greetings Stein

Stein.
1986 Bronco Eddie Bauer, 5,8L, 3 speed Autom.Tr
1996 F350 , 7,3L Powerstroke, 4wd, 5 speed Man. Tr.

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