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Gary Lewis
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Ok, now I think I understand.  Thanks for the explanation.  
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Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker & 10.25 Sterling/Trutrac, Blue Top & Borgeson, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

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85lebaront2
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Ok, advice time, wisdom of the group. Here is a sketch of the opening in the trim for the switches and power point. The openings are as the actually will be made in the trim panel (probably thin metal with a vinyl covering). The only exception might be the power point, I used a small pill bottle as the outer rim is larger than the actual socket.


Does this look reasonable. I had to separate the heated rear window switch and panel dimmer as both are fairly wide and the dimmer control is asymmetric toward the right side.
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"Getting old is inevitable, growing up is optional" Darth Vader 1986 F350 460 converted to MAF/SEFI, E4OD 12X3 1/2 rear brakes, traction loc 3:55 gear, 160 amp 3G alternator Wife's 2011 Flex Limited Daily Driver 2009 Flex Limited with factory tow package Project car 1986 Chrysler LeBaron convertible 2.2L Turbo II, modified A413

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Gary Lewis
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Can you move the three to the left a bit and then the power port to the right a bit?  The power port looks too close to the one on its left.

The way I lay things out is to figure the spaces, which is 5, divide that into the width of the panel, and use that as the spacing to the centers of the devices.
Gary, AKA "Gary fellow": Profile

Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker & 10.25 Sterling/Trutrac, Blue Top & Borgeson, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

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85lebaront2
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Gary, that was exactly what I did, using the center top to bottom as the point to measure then divide by 5 to get the center to center dimensions on the 4 objects. Since it was an even 19cm or 190mm across at the center that gave me 38mm or 3.8cm left edge to ctr of dimmer, 3.8cm to ctr of hazard, 3.8cm to ctr of R def and 3.8cm to ctr of power point, then 3.8cm to right edge. Due to the relative sizes it doesn't look balanced.

Since the dimmer is rather asymmetric to the right, it really can't have the rear def switch on it's immediate right, or the power point. I was also trying to think from the need to reach blindly for, panel dimmer then hazard. Rear Def is illuminated at night with the top up, top down it looses the ground.
Bill AKA "LOBO" Profile

"Getting old is inevitable, growing up is optional" Darth Vader 1986 F350 460 converted to MAF/SEFI, E4OD 12X3 1/2 rear brakes, traction loc 3:55 gear, 160 amp 3G alternator Wife's 2011 Flex Limited Daily Driver 2009 Flex Limited with factory tow package Project car 1986 Chrysler LeBaron convertible 2.2L Turbo II, modified A413

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ArdWrknTrk
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The layout looks good to me.  

The only control I can see reaching for in a hurry, when I can't be looking is the hazard lights.

Rear defrost and instrument dimmer seem the sort of thing you don't need to activate while in motion.
 Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.
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Gary Lewis
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Bill - It must just be the difference is size.  As I look at it again I can see that the distances are the same but the "feel" is different, and that has to be the size.

However, each is a different shape and is also 3D, which means it'll look different when they are all together than just drawing out the openings.  So I don't think you can do any better than what you've done.  Go for it!  
Gary, AKA "Gary fellow": Profile

Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker & 10.25 Sterling/Trutrac, Blue Top & Borgeson, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

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85lebaront2
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I agree on rear defrost, but instrument dimmer yes as it can need to be changed particularly with the electronic cluster.
Bill AKA "LOBO" Profile

"Getting old is inevitable, growing up is optional" Darth Vader 1986 F350 460 converted to MAF/SEFI, E4OD 12X3 1/2 rear brakes, traction loc 3:55 gear, 160 amp 3G alternator Wife's 2011 Flex Limited Daily Driver 2009 Flex Limited with factory tow package Project car 1986 Chrysler LeBaron convertible 2.2L Turbo II, modified A413

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85lebaront2
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Ok here is where I am at currently, this is the internal panel which will have a sheet metal panel with probably Vinyl put over it. Probably 2mm between, and attached with thick 2 sided tape. It will also be retained by the plastic faux wood trim panel. The two angled tabs have clip nuts on them for two retainer screws on the upper portion of the lower opening. The empty space is where the rear window defroster control goes, circle is for the power point which will be mounted to the metal panel only.
Bill AKA "LOBO" Profile

"Getting old is inevitable, growing up is optional" Darth Vader 1986 F350 460 converted to MAF/SEFI, E4OD 12X3 1/2 rear brakes, traction loc 3:55 gear, 160 amp 3G alternator Wife's 2011 Flex Limited Daily Driver 2009 Flex Limited with factory tow package Project car 1986 Chrysler LeBaron convertible 2.2L Turbo II, modified A413

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grumpin
Nice!
Dane
1986 F250HD SC XLT Lariat 4x4 460 C6-Sold
1992 Bronco XLT 4x4 351W E4OD
1998 GMC Sierra SLE K1500 350 4L60E
Arizona
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Gary Lewis
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Bill - It does look good.  But I'm not sure I'd use double-sided tape between the panels.  How are you going to get them apart if you need to?  Like getting to those screw heads?

How about Velcro?  Or maybe gluing nuts to the back side of the outside panel and use a spacer between the two panels to get the right distance?  Or, maybe glue coupling nuts on and use their length to form the distance?
Gary, AKA "Gary fellow": Profile

Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker & 10.25 Sterling/Trutrac, Blue Top & Borgeson, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

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85lebaront2
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Gary, I may just put some sort of filler in between the two pieces, like some of the foam rubber used in packing as the metal panel will be retained by the faux wood trim that fits inside the outer rim. Velcro is an option, possibly in between the components where the sheet metal might vibrate.
Bill AKA "LOBO" Profile

"Getting old is inevitable, growing up is optional" Darth Vader 1986 F350 460 converted to MAF/SEFI, E4OD 12X3 1/2 rear brakes, traction loc 3:55 gear, 160 amp 3G alternator Wife's 2011 Flex Limited Daily Driver 2009 Flex Limited with factory tow package Project car 1986 Chrysler LeBaron convertible 2.2L Turbo II, modified A413

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85lebaront2
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Thank you sir!
Bill AKA "LOBO" Profile

"Getting old is inevitable, growing up is optional" Darth Vader 1986 F350 460 converted to MAF/SEFI, E4OD 12X3 1/2 rear brakes, traction loc 3:55 gear, 160 amp 3G alternator Wife's 2011 Flex Limited Daily Driver 2009 Flex Limited with factory tow package Project car 1986 Chrysler LeBaron convertible 2.2L Turbo II, modified A413

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Gary Lewis
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Bill - Ok, I missed that it'll be retained otherwise.  So the foam would help give it stiffness awa keep it from rattling.
Gary, AKA "Gary fellow": Profile

Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker & 10.25 Sterling/Trutrac, Blue Top & Borgeson, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

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ArdWrknTrk
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I don't really have any experience with electronic clusters, but can understand how you may need to dim it.

The mounting looks good and solid.   💪
Is that a tack weld at the top edge?
 Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.
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85lebaront2
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Jim, the panel so far is almost entirely ABS plastic. It is "welded" using a slurry of scraps in MEK and Acetone (perks of knowing several chemists). Once it completely sets it is quite strong.
Bill AKA "LOBO" Profile

"Getting old is inevitable, growing up is optional" Darth Vader 1986 F350 460 converted to MAF/SEFI, E4OD 12X3 1/2 rear brakes, traction loc 3:55 gear, 160 amp 3G alternator Wife's 2011 Flex Limited Daily Driver 2009 Flex Limited with factory tow package Project car 1986 Chrysler LeBaron convertible 2.2L Turbo II, modified A413

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85lebaront2
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Ok, here are a couple of pictures of the almost finished product, The faceplate is a piece of file folder stock from our primary election back in June, they were giving the ballots in a folder so it was private while carrying it to the counting machine and we were told due to Covid they would not be reused. These were 17" wide so won't fit our file cabinet.

Final faceplate will be metal with probably black Vinyl stuck to it. Empty space on the right will be the power point. First picture is of the panel by itself and the second is the center stack with it installed. As you can see the faceplate will be retained by the faux wood trim.

Bill AKA "LOBO" Profile

"Getting old is inevitable, growing up is optional" Darth Vader 1986 F350 460 converted to MAF/SEFI, E4OD 12X3 1/2 rear brakes, traction loc 3:55 gear, 160 amp 3G alternator Wife's 2011 Flex Limited Daily Driver 2009 Flex Limited with factory tow package Project car 1986 Chrysler LeBaron convertible 2.2L Turbo II, modified A413

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Gary Lewis
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Looks great, Bill!  I think you are going to be very pleased with it.  
Gary, AKA "Gary fellow": Profile

Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker & 10.25 Sterling/Trutrac, Blue Top & Borgeson, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

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ArdWrknTrk
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Plenty of room there!
I like tactile feedback and don't think I could drive a vehicle with just a touchscreen.

Looking good Bill!  
 Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.
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85lebaront2
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Thank you sir. This is one of the times I wish I had a small milling machine.
Bill AKA "LOBO" Profile

"Getting old is inevitable, growing up is optional" Darth Vader 1986 F350 460 converted to MAF/SEFI, E4OD 12X3 1/2 rear brakes, traction loc 3:55 gear, 160 amp 3G alternator Wife's 2011 Flex Limited Daily Driver 2009 Flex Limited with factory tow package Project car 1986 Chrysler LeBaron convertible 2.2L Turbo II, modified A413

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85lebaront2
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Thank you Jim, I have two vehicles with touchscreens and have gotten used to using them, but where this sits, unless I am at a stop, it will be done by feel. The radio sits in the large opening above that panel and the HVAC control head is in the smaller opening above the radio.
Bill AKA "LOBO" Profile

"Getting old is inevitable, growing up is optional" Darth Vader 1986 F350 460 converted to MAF/SEFI, E4OD 12X3 1/2 rear brakes, traction loc 3:55 gear, 160 amp 3G alternator Wife's 2011 Flex Limited Daily Driver 2009 Flex Limited with factory tow package Project car 1986 Chrysler LeBaron convertible 2.2L Turbo II, modified A413

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