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ArdWrknTrk

Re: My timing chain adventure begins..

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Ahh, that concentric slave.

You changed the clutch and throwout but didn't do the slave?!?!?!

It shouldn't have to move much to overcenter the spring of the pressure plate and release the clutch.

But if it's not new and well lubed on the transmission input sleeve, I don't know what to tell you.

Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.

reamer

Re: My timing chain adventure begins..

Nope, Just removed assembly from back of engine, disassembled it, (pressure plate, clutch, and flywheel), To get to the Cam cover, (thought it was a water jacket freeze plug) Re-assembled the system (flywheel, clutch, then pressure plate, The concentric slave was not touched.

Screwy that with engine running, and can shift into any gear without touching the clutch, and once in a gear, you can hear things rolling around, but no different in sound "popping" back into neutral.
May have to slide the tranny back just for an insanity check, and with it backed off the engine, try the clutch pedal again.....

1986 F-150 Flareside 4x4, 351, 4-v, ZF5 speed. AC, Cruise, Tilt, Slider, Digital clock, Radio, Lariat seat, Pwr doors/locks

85lebaront2

Re: My timing chain adventure begins..

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Not a good idea, without the input shaft to hold the disc in position it will drop down enough that the transmission will not go back in (don't ask how I know) also, the release bearing has nothing to guide it if is on a fork, if it is the concentric hydraulic one, it won't do anything except possibly explode the cylinder.

Bill AKA "LOBO" Profile

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reamer

Re: My timing chain adventure begins..

Sanity check. Is this installed correctly? Finger tips bend in toward flywheel..

Getting a new slave and master since both were wet, those will be were tomorrow

1986 F-150 Flareside 4x4, 351, 4-v, ZF5 speed. AC, Cruise, Tilt, Slider, Digital clock, Radio, Lariat seat, Pwr doors/locks

Steve83

Re: My timing chain adventure begins..

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There's no other way to install the diaphragm.

It's hard to tell how much space there is between the diaphragm fingers & the clutch - is it at least 1/2"?

85lebaront2

Re: My timing chain adventure begins..

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I will throw another one, is the disc installed the right way?

Bill AKA "LOBO" Profile

reamer

Re: My timing chain adventure begins..

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That's it! I'm such an idot..

As soon as you said "1/2 inch" gap.
There is not. Must have the disk in backwards!
This would explain the resistance to bolt flush to the flywheel.

Now wondering if it is damaged, will remove it in about an hour ….

Yep, sure enough, the disk was backwards!, Guess that why it is stamped in very small type "flywheel" on one side, and "flywheel" should not be against the pressure plate....

1986 F-150 Flareside 4x4, 351, 4-v, ZF5 speed. AC, Cruise, Tilt, Slider, Digital clock, Radio, Lariat seat, Pwr doors/locks

Gary Lewis

Re: My timing chain adventure begins..

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Glad you found it, Ron!

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85lebaront2

Re: My timing chain adventure begins..

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In reply to this post by reamer

Ron, the reason I asked that, I have done it myself years ago on my Shelby.

Bill AKA "LOBO" Profile

reamer

Re: My timing chain adventure begins..

And you were correct!
Thanks

1986 F-150 Flareside 4x4, 351, 4-v, ZF5 speed. AC, Cruise, Tilt, Slider, Digital clock, Radio, Lariat seat, Pwr doors/locks

85lebaront2

Re: My timing chain adventure begins..

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You are welcome!

Bill AKA "LOBO" Profile

reamer

Re: My timing chain adventure begins..

Wow! one fight after another! Now I need to fine a new Hydraulic line

I changed out the old slave valve, It was a NAPA 73002B slave, and connected fine to my NAPA 819 5931 Hyd line.….

Now the new slave is a NAPA 73003B (not 2), put it in the ZF, I installed the ZF, try to connect with my existing NAPA 819 5931 and it does not Fit!

I measured the center post in the old and new slaves, sure enough, the posts are seated at different depths by 1/16" of an inch!

Went back to NAPA and they had a 807 5298 line, this line connects correctly, BUT it is bent completely wrong... Old line that fit has a "U" bend right at the Master cyl. connection so it points at the fire wall and works its way down to the ZF.
New line (correct connection fitting) connects to the Master cylinder but then line heads for the radiator, it can't reach for the ZF without putting a kink in it....

When measuring at the connector to the ZF, the old line is 3/8" from but-end to fastening lip.

The new line (that fits but bent wrong), from but-end to fastening lip is 7/16"

thoughts?

Any thoughts?

1986 F-150 Flareside 4x4, 351, 4-v, ZF5 speed. AC, Cruise, Tilt, Slider, Digital clock, Radio, Lariat seat, Pwr doors/locks

ArdWrknTrk

Re: My timing chain adventure begins..

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Did they sell you the wrong slave?

When I look up the 73002B on my NAPA app it shows as available through both my local stores ; Lostcco in Springdale and Red's in Portchester.

Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.

reamer

Re: My timing chain adventure begins..

That a solution one install too late, hope to fine a compatible line, that slave is staying in there...

1986 F-150 Flareside 4x4, 351, 4-v, ZF5 speed. AC, Cruise, Tilt, Slider, Digital clock, Radio, Lariat seat, Pwr doors/locks

Steve83

Re: My timing chain adventure begins..

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In reply to this post by reamer

reamer wrote

...line heads for the radiator, it can't reach for the ZF without putting a kink in it.

Rembrant

Re: My timing chain adventure begins..

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reamer wrote

Went back to NAPA and they had a 807 5298 line, this line connects correctly, BUT it is bent completely wrong...

Ron,

That line is for the 1993-up Clutch master cylinder that has the fitting pointing straight down.

It looks like the clutch slave also changed for 1993, which is why you're seeing a difference. So the new line fits the new slave, but not the master.

So...you'll either need a 1988-1992 slave cylinder to work with your old line and master, or plan-B would be to buy a 1993-up master to fit the new line?

1994 F150 4x2 Flareside. 5.0 w/MAF, 4R70W, stock.
1984 F150 4X2 Flareside. Mild 302 w/ 5spd. Sold.
1980 F150 4X4 Flareside. 300i6 w/ 5spd. Sold in 2021.
1980 F100 4X2 Flareside. 351w/2bbl w/NP435. Sold in 1995

ArdWrknTrk

Re: My timing chain adventure begins..

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..... And if you buy the '93> master you need to drill the mounting holes through the firewall on the diagonal, instead of vertical.
AND you need the later version NSS, that mounts to the pushrod side of the master.....

Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.

reamer

Re: My timing chain adventure begins..

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Thanks Steve, Didn't know you can heat up the line and bend it safety..

Jim good to know on the different style needing a different NSS.

Rembrant that's good info on the year differences..

Perfect example of the famous Onion rings.....

1986 F-150 Flareside 4x4, 351, 4-v, ZF5 speed. AC, Cruise, Tilt, Slider, Digital clock, Radio, Lariat seat, Pwr doors/locks

Steve83

Re: My timing chain adventure begins..

Banned User

There are actually 3 versions of master. The middle fits the '92-96/7 firewall, but works with the '84-91 slaves:

This is the CPP for later stickshifts:

Originally, my '83 NP435 had no starter interrupt; only a reverse-lamps switch.

Rembrant

Re: My timing chain adventure begins..

Steve83 wrote

There are actually 3 versions of master. The middle fits the '92-96/7 firewall, but works with the '84-91 slaves:

Actually, there are four different masters if you include the bolt pattern change in 1988 when the 5spd came out. The masters are hydraulically the same between between 1983 and 1991, but the studs changed to the diagonal pattern in 1988. So technically version #1 is 1983-1987, and version #2 is 1988-1991. Side on they look exactly the same, but the mounting is different.

I'm running a 1991 Mazda 5spd from a Light Duty F250, a hydraulic line ordered to fit the 1988-1991 Master cylinder, and then I used a 1983-1987 Master cylinder so that it fit the factory mounting holes in my cab. It all fits together perfectly.

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