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85lebaront2

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Gary, it looks like he is addressing everything, since mentions replacing all the case bushings. Everything else he pretty well covers in his list here:
The shift kit comes with the new updated snap rings, the converter is the updated clutch disc, The forward clutches are the later ones, The center support, stub shaft , and the 1995 later pump
With the roller bearing is $192.00. I install new sun gear and case bushings in each build. The total price for the parts and labor and supplies is $2200.00.

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"Getting old is inevitable, growing up is optional" Darth Vader 1986 F350 460 converted to MAF/SEFI, E4OD 12X3 1/2 rear brakes, traction loc 3:55 gear, 160 amp 3G alternator Wife's 2011 Flex Limited Daily Driver 2009 Flex Limited with factory tow package Project car 1986 Chrysler LeBaron convertible 2.2L Turbo II, modified A413

Gary Lewis

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Bill - Thanks! I just needed someone to translate as I'm not au fait with the internals of an automagic tranny.

But, you also said in the email "Ask him if he has a later deep pan so you can have the reusable gasket. On the external stuff, look at the neutral safety/back up light switch, if it looks like the connector has been replaced, good, there is a TSB on using the updated switch due to water intrusion. If you can get it off easily, save the RWAL actuator, I think the residual pressure check valve for the rear brakes is in it and I may need it to solve a minor brake issue on Darth, but then if you install the later MC on yours, it may be needed there."

So, first, what is a RWAL actuator?

Second, do only the later pans have the reusable gaskets? And, do they have a drain plug?

As for the NSS/backup light switch and connector, here's what I have. Is it the updated one?

Gary, AKA "Gary fellow": Profile

Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker & 10.25 Sterling/Trutrac, Blue Top & Borgeson, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

grumpin

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Not to interfere, but to let you know I bought reusable gaskets for my E4OD and C6.

I have not installed them yet, so no review. Have one on the Suburban and I like it.

And I believe only the later pans have a drain plug.

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mor-93105/applications

Dane
1986 F250HD SC XLT Lariat 4x4 460 C6-Sold
1992 Bronco XLT 4x4 351W E4OD
1998 GMC Sierra SLE K1500 350 4L60E
Arizona

Gary Lewis

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That's not interfering. Not at all. So, thanks!

I'll check with him on a pan, but whatever goes on will have a drain plug. If he doesn't have one that does, and if I decide to go with him, I'll order in a Trick Flow cast aluminum one.

Anyway, made some progress today. As you can see, the tranny is out. And, that's a transmission! It measures 32" long, a full 6" longer than the ZF5. Glad I got the driveshafts that go with it. And the rear mount is 6" farther aft than for a ZF5, which is already 1" farther aft than for a C6. So, glad I also got the crossmember for that as part of the deal.

And, THAT'S a torque converter!

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grumpin

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What a brute!

You wouldn't think they'd be weak!

Dane
1986 F250HD SC XLT Lariat 4x4 460 C6-Sold
1992 Bronco XLT 4x4 351W E4OD
1998 GMC Sierra SLE K1500 350 4L60E
Arizona

Gary Lewis

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I'm not sure they ever were truly weak. The transmissions were only used in trucks, motorhomes, etc and they were used behind big engines. But, there were a number of upgrades, and those were due to problems. So, hopefully when it is upgraded it will be stout.

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grumpin

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Yeah, weak is a poor choice of a word!

I'm sure yours will be great! Can't wait to hear how it goes!

Dane
1986 F250HD SC XLT Lariat 4x4 460 C6-Sold
1992 Bronco XLT 4x4 351W E4OD
1998 GMC Sierra SLE K1500 350 4L60E
Arizona

85lebaront2

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Big problem with them is heat, the converter is a higher stall speed than a C6, so when not in lockup will generate a ton of heat, you can actually boil the fluid in one stall testing it. The secret is to redo the computer program to lock up earlier and stay in lockup. Mine is set to take 80% of full throttle to unlock, it will downshift almost immediately like that. The gears in it are beefed up wide ratio C6 innards and the length of the case is due to the fact that the OD unit is in front of the main gearset. I am using the one from the 1990 parts truck I bought with nothing done except fluid and filter changes.

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85lebaront2

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In reply to this post by Gary Lewis

The later pan does not have the rib for the cork/rubber gasket, started in 1994 or 1995. To my knowledge none of the factory pans have drain plugs. The gasket is a standard Ford part and should be easily available aftermarket. It is molded rubber over metal with rings at the bolt holes so it can be torqued properly.

RWAL = Rear Wheel Anti Lock. Just found that F450 did not have it, plug goes into a dummy connector to keep it from dangling.

Bill AKA "LOBO" Profile

Gary Lewis

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Well, from what I've just read the Trick Flow pan is not for a 4wd truck. 2wd only. But Dorman supposedly has a steel one for $35 - which is so much less than the $250 or so the others cost that I'm suspicious. Granted it is stamped steel vs cast aluminum, but I sure don't want it to leak.

But now I'm torn. I have a price from Steve for $2200 but I'm pretty sure it is with the existing pan, so I'll have to add $250 or so for an aluminum pan - to ensure it doesn't leak. On the other hand, I have a range of from $1800 to $2600 from Charles, and he said he'll just put a pan on that has a drain plug - apparently from his stash. (And, by the way, apparently the 4R100 pans interchange, so maybe they had drain plugs.) So the prices are pretty much the same.

Steve gives a 1 year warranty and Charles gives a 2 year warranty. But, I would think that 1 year would be enough as if it is going to fail from bad parts it should do so in the first year. And if it holds up a year it should be good to go.

One, Steve, teaches transmission rebuilding and does this on the side and the other, Charles, does this every day as his business.

Thoughts?

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grumpin

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Gary my 94 4WD 460 had a drain plug after the dealer upgraded the tranny because the PO had so much trouble with it. (I assume it was a 4R100 pan)

Also had a filter in the cooling lines.

I still had problems with it.

As lebaron said they would get hot, mine did backing in a big travel trailer into a tight spot. It finally started leaking at the front, shut it off and let it cool, and it stopped leaking.

I can't believe we got that trailer in where we did. I told the young couple I was helping there was no way we were getting that trailer in there. She says my Grandpa is helping, he used to be a truck driver!

I saw no way, he saw plenty of room! He got it in there, I just did what he said!

Dane
1986 F250HD SC XLT Lariat 4x4 460 C6-Sold
1992 Bronco XLT 4x4 351W E4OD
1998 GMC Sierra SLE K1500 350 4L60E
Arizona

85lebaront2

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The vent is in the front pump, just above the seal so when it gets overheated it shows up there.

Bill AKA "LOBO" Profile

grumpin

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85lebaront2 wrote

The vent is in the front pump, just above the seal so when it gets overheated it shows up there.

That's what I was told. Also told me to let it cool, and it worked! Other wise I may have panicked!

Just kind of unnerving to see it leak like that

Dane
1986 F250HD SC XLT Lariat 4x4 460 C6-Sold
1992 Bronco XLT 4x4 351W E4OD
1998 GMC Sierra SLE K1500 350 4L60E
Arizona

Gary Lewis

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You can see the vent here, and it would certainly make a big mess. My plan is to use the stock 1990 F250HD cooler from Huck on Dad's truck, with the theory that it was sized for the work that truck was designed to do. And since I won't tow with Dad's truck and will, as Bill has suggested, keep the torque converter locked until something like 80% throttle, it should stay nice and cool.

Agree?

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ArdWrknTrk

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I see your 460 has a lifting eye on the back as well as the front.

Where did my F450 go wrong???

Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.

Gary Lewis

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Yes, it does have the lifting eyes. But, what do you notice here?

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ArdWrknTrk

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That mine had one on the front and only the egr line was bolted to the back.

If you look at the pics of the forklift you'll see a thick washer held by a manifold bolt at the left rear.

Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.

Gary Lewis

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Wasn't quite what I meant. Take a look at the picture again.

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ArdWrknTrk

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A single 10-24 is good for 300+ lbs.

Is one bolt a problem?

Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.

Gary Lewis

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Not a problem, but a sign. This thing has been apart. I don't know, yet, if the engine was out or if the tranny was out. Or both. But one bolt in the bell housing was backed off 1/2", one bolt left out of the lifting eye, and several tabs are broken on the wiring harness.

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