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Gary Lewis

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Short day. Added the A/C compressors, with and without clutch to the A/C Interchange page.

Then Chris' Diesel Injector page.

And the Window Lift Motor page.

Last, the Water Pump page.

And, while those 76 pages might seem like a light day, please give me credit for an overhaul on the Wheel Covers page, as 'splained on the Center Caps thread.

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Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker & 10.25 Sterling/Trutrac, Blue Top & Borgeson, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

Gary Lewis

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Got a bit more done. And, along the way I realized that in some things the listings for the cars could be a help. For instance, the window lift motors for the trucks were used in some cars. So, I've started scanning the car sections as well.

A/C: The air conditioning section now has the car lists for clutches, compressors, and compressors with a clutch, so is now complete

Distributors: The truck listings are there, but not the car listing yet

Window Lift Motors: Added the car listing to the truck listing, so this section is complete

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1986F150Six

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You are being diligent, Gary!

Gary Lewis

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Yes, David, that I am.

And today I got this done:

Alternators: I got the 46 pages for car alternators scanned, but the 70 pages for trucks is still running through the scanner as I type

Crankshafts: 12 pages of car info and 13 pages for trucks

Heads: 21 pages for cars and 23 pages for trucks

Distributors: Added the 9-page car info

That seems to be 124 pages. But, I also added the 1980 Light Truck Roadability Diagnosis Guide, so does that count?

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Gary Lewis

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DONE!

We now have in the interchange section:

A/C systems: 107 pages
Alternators: 116 pages
Brakes: 199 page
Carburetor: 42 pages
Crankshaft: 25 pages
Diesel Inject: 8 pages
Distributor: 34 pages
Fuel Pumps: 61 pages
Heads: 44 pages
Starters: 64 pages
Steering: 96 pages
Window Motors: 46 pages
Water Pumps: 28 pages
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Total 840 pages on interchange possibilities between Ford cars and trucks from the 50's to 90's

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ctubutis

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Where is the Like button? :)

The secretary/admin assistant at a federal government job I had in college had a scanner with a sheet feeder, this was in the DX2/66 & Win3.1 days when it could take several minutes to render and print a PDF (I would guess the process is LOTS faster these days).

But I have a question... how can I as a user quickly get to "your VIN decoder?" I had to search the forum to find a link, I was having a hard time finding it via the hamburger for some reason.

Do you have any documentation talking about any ID numbers (partial VIN) stamped into the frame?

OK, 2 questions. ;-)

Gary Lewis

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The VIN decoder is in Specifications/VIN Decoding.

As for the partial VIN no, I don't have a document regarding that. I don't think I've seen anything that tells about it officially. But I do have a picture somewhere that shows the one on Dad's truck's frame if that would help.

Considering the speed of scanning, it still isn't all that fast. I scanned everything at 600 dpi so the OCR would come through w/o issues, as anything less than 600 has caused LOTS of verification in the past, and that takes much too much time. Better to take the time scanning at 600 and have the OCR be accurate than to scan faster and have to correct the OCR results.

And I actually ran two computers doing this. My laptop ran the scanner, and I used the shop computer to set up the website as well as to manipulate the pdf's. And by that I mean move the pages around. I scanned the odd-numbered pages and then the even-numbered pages, so the file was 1-3-5-7 and then 8-6-4-2. Save the file to the cloud from the laptop and start a new scan. Go to the desktop and pull up the file and re-order the pages. Then create the new web page and put the file on it.

Somewhere there's a buffering problem when doing the scanning. The first several pages went about as fast as the scanner and document feeder could handle them, but then the buffer apparently got full and things slowed dramatically. So I could run through short documents, like 10 pages or so, faster than I could process them on the other computer. But there were a few 70-page docs that took a lot longer and I had time to catch up.

And the "like" button is to the left on a computer and to the bottom on a mobile device - as of last night.

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Steve83

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ctubutis wrote

how can I as a user quickly get to "your VIN decoder?"

There's a lot of VIN info in this caption:

ctubutis wrote

Do you have any documentation talking about any ID numbers (partial VIN) stamped into the frame?

What do you want to know about them? It's the last 8 digits of the VIN, between asterisks.

Gary Lewis

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Another use for the interchange info - upgrade our how-to's.

This morning I was looking at the 3G Alternator Conversion page with an eye to upgrading the instructions on the ammeter since Steve suggested that there's a way to change the wiring and not have to replace or disconnect the ammeter. (However, then the ammeter will only read on the discharge side, but that may be acceptable to some people.)

And I saw the donor vehicle list and wondered if the new Alternator Interchange page might help us refine the donor list a bit. The page says "90-99 Taurus/Sable (the 3.8L has 8.125” mounting. 3.0L has the 7” mount spacing) *Need to confirm this info." But it doesn't say if they have the 90A or the 130A alternator.

So I went to the interchange pages and found that there are some 130 amp alternators on some of the vehicles we listed. And I searched the pages for both cars and trucks for that part number and found these hits:

TAURUS 90-94 6CYL 3.8L MOTORCRAFT130AMP. F1DZ10346BX (Note that this doesn't say "Sable")
LINCOLNCONTINENTAL 91-94 6CYL 3.8L MOTORCRAFT130AMP. F1DZ10346BX
SABLE 91-92 6CYL 3.0L MOTORCRAFT,130AMP F1DZ10346BX
SABLE 91-95 6CYL 3.8L MOTORCRAFT130AMP. F1DZ10346BX
TAURUS 91-92 6CYL 3.0L MOTORCRAFT.130 AMP, EXC.SHO F1DZ10346BX
E-SERIES 92-93 ALL CYLS..MOTORCRAFT, 130AMP-EXC. F1DZ10346BX
BRONCO 92-92 ALL CYLS..MOTORCRAFT, 130AMP-EXC. F1DZ10346BX
F-SERIES 94-96 6CYL 4.9L MOTORCRAFT,130AMP F1DZ10346BX
E-SERIES 94-96 6CYL 4.9L& 8CYL 7.5L MOTORCRAFT,130 F1DZ10346BX
WINDSTAR 95-95 6CYL 3.8L MOTORCRAFT130 AMP.BEFORE 3/1/94 F1DZ10346BX

This will take some refinement, but I think we have a new way to "tune" our instructions on things. And, I may even be able to cross-ref the part number to an ID/engineering # that will tell us what the alternator actually says it is.

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ctubutis

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I'm asking about any frame-based VIN information because there's a guy over on FTE - newbie, but already has 100 posts in one month - who got confused by info he found online.

Specifically, he thought one of the characters found on the frame VIN was the truck's Engine code, he researched the character 'E' using documentation here and determined his truck (1982 F-100) originally came with a 2.0L 4-cylinder engine.

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1570977-vin-question-2.html#post18455407

I kinda feel bad for the guy is all, and I'm wondering if this horde of documentation Gary is uploading contains a description of what's stamped in the frame rail (and maybe other places, too, based on what your post says, Steve).

Steve83

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I've NEVER seen a Bronco with a factory 130A 3G - certainly not a '92. I don't even think they got the 95A 3G until '93. But I've found several '93 Fs with 2G, and I always assumed Bronco engines/alts. were the same as Fs'.

ctubutis wrote

...(1982 F-100) originally came with a 2.0L 4-cylinder engine.

No such thing as a 4-banger in an F. The base engine was always the I6, except a few rare catastrophes in '82~4 that got a V6.

I just found something in the '81 shop manual I've never seen before... It indicates there was a gasoline 255ci (4.2L) V8 available in '81 Broncos & Fs; VIN code "D".

The only "E" I can imagine being on the frame stamp is for the Mahwah,NJ/Jefferson,KY assembly plants, but F150s were never built at either. I suspect he misread a "B".

ctubutis

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Gary Lewis wrote

So I went to the interchange pages and found that there are some 130 amp alternators on some of the vehicles we listed. And I searched the pages for both cars and trucks for that part number and found these hits:

TAURUS 90-94 6CYL 3.8L MOTORCRAFT130AMP. F1DZ10346BX (Note that this doesn't say "Sable")
LINCOLNCONTINENTAL 91-94 6CYL 3.8L MOTORCRAFT130AMP. F1DZ10346BX
SABLE 91-92 6CYL 3.0L MOTORCRAFT,130AMP F1DZ10346BX
SABLE 91-95 6CYL 3.8L MOTORCRAFT130AMP. F1DZ10346BX
TAURUS 91-92 6CYL 3.0L MOTORCRAFT.130 AMP, EXC.SHO F1DZ10346BX
E-SERIES 92-93 ALL CYLS..MOTORCRAFT, 130AMP-EXC. F1DZ10346BX
BRONCO 92-92 ALL CYLS..MOTORCRAFT, 130AMP-EXC. F1DZ10346BX
F-SERIES 94-96 6CYL 4.9L MOTORCRAFT,130AMP F1DZ10346BX
E-SERIES 94-96 6CYL 4.9L& 8CYL 7.5L MOTORCRAFT,130 F1DZ10346BX
WINDSTAR 95-95 6CYL 3.8L MOTORCRAFT130 AMP.BEFORE 3/1/94 F1DZ10346BX

This will take some refinement, but I think we have a new way to "tune" our instructions on things. And, I may even be able to cross-ref the part number to an ID/engineering # that will tell us what the alternator actually says it is.

I went and tested the Search on E1ZZ10346AX and it responded pretty well, results were quick. And I was remarking at how many decades' worth of applications that part number fit which one can see by scrolling through the document.

Of your list, Gary, what I thought was remarkable (funny, actually) are the words "EXC SHO" on there, I see that toooooo often when trying to look up parts for those cars.

Gary Lewis

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In reply to this post by Steve83

Steve - To paraphrase a famous Okie, all I know is what I read in the catalog. So I'm sure we will run into instances where the catalog doesn't match with what we find in the real world. And for those instances we need to have a contingency plan.

On approach would be to say something like "This is what the catalog says, but we've not seen one of these in this vehicle". And pictures as well as part and ID #'s would help as well. But I think we can use this info to help people find what they are looking for.

And, on the 255 engine, you can also read about it here: Engines/Windsor Series.

Chris - I thought of you when I saw that.

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Angelo Voltura

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Apparently, dentside speedos fit our gauge clusters.

1978 F150 351W
1979 F150 "410M"
1979 F100 302
1979 F250 400
1987 F150 300
1990 F150 302
1991 F150 300
1995 F150 (1985 clip swapped) 300
1997 F250 351W

Gary Lewis

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I saw that on FB. Was there any explanation given on how difficult it was?

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Angelo Voltura

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That is where I saw it. None given that I've seen but I'd imagine probably fairly easy if not direct replacement.

Although I could have sworn early 80s medium duties used dent gauges factory at least for a few years.

1978 F150 351W
1979 F150 "410M"
1979 F100 302
1979 F250 400
1987 F150 300
1990 F150 302
1991 F150 300
1995 F150 (1985 clip swapped) 300
1997 F250 351W

Angelo Voltura

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Sorry for the double post, but ironically this just showed up on FB as well, just hours later. Though looks incomplete.

1978 F150 351W
1979 F150 "410M"
1979 F100 302
1979 F250 400
1987 F150 300
1990 F150 302
1991 F150 300
1995 F150 (1985 clip swapped) 300
1997 F250 351W

scbill

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I did a swap from an 81 into my 83 because the printed circuit was different, 81 has the tach,the 83 speedo is a direct fit, as with all the gauges. Reason for speedo change, the 81 is a reset and didn't have the lens, still have to see person I purchased truck from for some literature, also some other "stuff" he said he had.

Bill

1983 F100 XL 300, 6 cyl, aod, long bed
1961 E100 pickup, 289,C4

Gary Lewis

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Bill - Except for early 81’s, which had slightly different wiring, the instrument clusters interchange for all Bullnose years - like for like. But, that means that idiot light clusters interchange with each other, and gauge clusters interchange with each other.

Within the instrument clusters there were two kinds - with tach and w/o tach. Those with a tach also had a resettable trip odometer, and those w/o a tach didn’t.

To make things slightly more complicated, there are two different printed circuit films used on the gauge clusters. One film has the wiring for the tach, and one doesn’t. And while all clusters with a tach had a circuit film that supports a tach, many of the non-tach clusters do as well.

So you can mix and match, meaning have a tach with or without a trip odometer, or a trip odometer with or without a tach. 😳

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salans7

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Striker Bolts: 80-96/7 door strike bolts interchange, but the later (possibly '89-96/7) bolt's shield reduces the door's tendency to jam in a collision.

My 1986 had the black shields, so they came much earlier than 89.

Beds: However, the # of bolts went from 8 in 1980-84 to 6 for 1985 and on, as shown on the Suspension & Steering/Body Mounts & Hardware page, which includes a description of the bolts as well as part numbers. But, 1987 and later beds do fit on 1985 and '86 trucks w/o change since they share the 6-bolt pattern.

My 1986 frame (stamped with E7TA, so it's a late frame) still has the holes for the extra bolts from 1980-1984. And the bed floor not only has the indentation, but there is still a crossmember in that spot with the hole drilled in it as well. The only thing missing is the hole in the bed floor, and whatever "key" is supposed to match the bolt to keep it from spinning. So a 1980-1984 bed should fit on an 85-86 and still be able to use all eight mounting bolts.

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