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Gary Lewis

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Probably not, as I going to use this thread to track the interchange suggestions and additions.

However, if you want to see a SPREADSHEET go here: TSB's/TSB Index and to to the tab on the right - TSB Index Spreadsheet. It is a "living document" that will capture and provide links to all of the TSB's we find.

Right now it has ~800 TSB entries and links to 17 of them, but it will grow as this list doesn't show the late '79 and 1980 TSB's. However, I do have those TSB's and will enter them. Further, there are numerous later TSB's that apply to our trucks, and the list I used as the impetus for this spreadsheet from stopped in mid-'85.

So, with the ~300 TSB's I currently have on paper, and the several hundred Steve83 has on paper, as we scan them and create pages for them I'll add links to the spreadsheet and we will have a fairly decent collection of the TSB's.

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Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker & 10.25 Sterling/Trutrac, Blue Top & Borgeson, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

Angelo Voltura

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Passing on some knformation.

Cab marker lights from 73-97 are identical and do NOT have a FoMoCo part number. They are manufactured by and at the time outsourced by Ford by Truck-Lite. Part number is 25760Y.

1978 F150 351W
1979 F150 "410M"
1979 F100 302
1979 F250 400
1987 F150 300
1990 F150 302
1991 F150 300
1995 F150 (1985 clip swapped) 300
1997 F250 351W

Gary Lewis

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Good to know. So, it is these things?

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Angelo Voltura

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Yes sir those. That's the first FoMoCo part numbers I've seen on them. The OEM ones on Dads 1985 model did not have any FoMoCo markings on it. They had the part number, Truck-Lite branding and "Manufactured in Jamestown, NY" stamped into them. The lights have never been replaced until this past year.

They are Truck Lite's Model #25. If you do notice, these have the correct super light gray bases and not the dark bases of aftermarket brands. That is because these are the correct OEM replacements as used by FoMoCo.

1978 F150 351W
1979 F150 "410M"
1979 F100 302
1979 F250 400
1987 F150 300
1990 F150 302
1991 F150 300
1995 F150 (1985 clip swapped) 300
1997 F250 351W

Rembrant

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Steve83 wrote

Most F/L/M pre-'92 steering wheels interchange, as do their horn pads regardless of trim (black, chrome, woodgrain...). Of course cruise buttons limit interchangeability. But a pre-'92 tilt/cruise steering column WITH all the cruise wiring, control module, vacuum lines, servo w/throttle cable, & VSS w/speedo cable will interchange with a pre-'92 non-tilt/cruise column. No wire cutting.

I was wondering when this topic was going to pop up. A for sale Bullnose I looked at recently had a Bricknose steering wheel in it. I liked the feel of it, but I disliked the look of it. It's not that it was a bad looking steering wheel per se, but it just didn't look like it belonged in the Bullnose interior (IMO).

But...if other wheels will fit, I may look around a little more. I would like something different, but I'd like it to look like it belongs...if that's even possible.

1994 F150 4x2 Flareside. 5.0 w/MAF, 4R70W, stock.
1984 F150 4X2 Flareside. Mild 302 w/ 5spd. Sold.
1980 F150 4X4 Flareside. 300i6 w/ 5spd. Sold in 2021.
1980 F100 4X2 Flareside. 351w/2bbl w/NP435. Sold in 1995

Gary Lewis

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In reply to this post by Angelo Voltura

Cool! Glad we connected the catalog with the real thing. I'll add that info to my version of the catalog, as well as the Interchange page. Thanks.

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Angelo Voltura

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No problem, Gary. One of these days, I am going to write up a front clip conversion for 92-96 trucks to accept a bullnose clip.

1978 F150 351W
1979 F150 "410M"
1979 F100 302
1979 F250 400
1987 F150 300
1990 F150 302
1991 F150 300
1995 F150 (1985 clip swapped) 300
1997 F250 351W

Gary Lewis

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Something like described in this thread: Converting 87-96 F trucks to Bullnoses?

This is one of the advantages to a forum over FB - you can easily search it and find what you are looking for. And, if that's not good enough, if someone wanted to they could write up a how-to and we could put it as a page on the website.

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Steve83

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Angelo Voltura wrote

The OEM ones on Dads 1985 model did not have any FoMoCo markings on it. They had the part number, Truck-Lite branding and "Manufactured in Jamestown, NY" stamped into them.

Ford doesn't make any Ford parts (for the past several decades). Ford designs most of its parts, subcontracts their manufacture, and then assembles those parts into vehicles. The Ford numbers you see on some parts is the engineering number - not the PN. OE parts without Ford markings are not designed by Ford - they're just common parts that Ford decided to buy & use (like bulbs, fuses, tires, some bolts/nuts/washers, and apparently those roof marker lamp assemblies). That's also how some SVO & other low-production vehicles are created - Ford licenses tweaks & designs from independent speed shops, incorporates them into the assembly line (like the most-recent Mercury Marauders & CV LX Sports), and sells them as RPOs for a few years. In '96, Ford licensed a tweak to the side mirrors by Muth, and added it (randomly) to a few high-trim Broncos, which were the first production vehicles in the world to have side mirrors with turn signals. Now, that's almost standard-equipment.

Angelo Voltura

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That is fantastic information!

1978 F150 351W
1979 F150 "410M"
1979 F100 302
1979 F250 400
1987 F150 300
1990 F150 302
1991 F150 300
1995 F150 (1985 clip swapped) 300
1997 F250 351W

Gary Lewis

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For the record, I got down through "These may not make the cut..." in this post from Steve83.

Please check what I've done out and let me know what needs to be changed.

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Angelo Voltura

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Gary a couple changes for you.

On the beds, bullnose beds are squared off at the tail lights. 87+ are rounded.

Also, your wrote straps on the tailgates twice, vs rod for 80-82.

1995-97 doors have an extra body line at the bottom.

1990 swing lock mirrors are positioned higher up. The arm is flipped up and not under on the top mounting bracket.

Early 85s still had cardboard glove boxes.

92-96 instrument clusters are year specific due to changes in the circuit board they will not charge the battery if you do not have the correct year. 92-93 only will work in a 92-93, 94-95 and 96-97. For example even though visually similar a 97 cluster will not work in a 92. A 94 will only work in a 94 or 95. A 93 cluster will not work in a 95. Make sense?

Rear ABS/VSS interchanges from 87-97.

If I find anything else I'll edit this post.

1978 F150 351W
1979 F150 "410M"
1979 F100 302
1979 F250 400
1987 F150 300
1990 F150 302
1991 F150 300
1995 F150 (1985 clip swapped) 300
1997 F250 351W

85lebaront2

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Angelo, on the 1992-97 clusters, yes they are specific groups, but the wires can be moved on the connectors, there is a difference in the wiring between tachometer and no tachometer.

I have the pinouts for them if anyone needs them.

1994 up have an air bag light, although 1994-97 HD (over 8500 GVW) did not get the air bag in the steering wheel.

1996/7 do not have a glove box lock, 1992-95 do.

Heater core for factory A/C is the same service part from 1980-1997, the originals were copper/brass, everything is pretty well aluminum now.

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Steve83

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This seems somewhat off-topic to me since it has nothing to do with bullnoses, but...

85lebaront2 wrote

...on the 1992-97 clusters...there is a difference in the wiring between tachometer and no tachometer.

Not on any truck I've worked on, or the trucks whose owners have bought tach clusters from me (which is a few dozen). Ford calls the dash harness the "main" section, so they made as few versions as possible each year. Most years, just 2: high trim & low trim, but tach was optional (deletable) in most trims, so the main harness had to support both. And there's no reason for it NOT to - omitting the tach circuits didn't cause them to need MORE wires, so no need to rearrange them.

And I haven't found anything specific to make '96-97 clusters INcompatible with '94-95 trucks, or vice versa. But I have a '93 hi-trim harness & a '96 lying out in my shop right now, so I'll try to remember to compare their cluster connectors. Wiring diagrams are available free here:
http://www.bbbind.com/free_tsb.html
Just click "WIRING DIAGRAMS" when you see that big red button.

85lebaront2

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Steve, I have done up a list of the pin outs for the dash clusters 1992-1997 and will be happy to send it to you. I found out the hard way Ford changed things a few times on the connections, things like swapping the power and ground, anti theft for two years, adding a brake fluid warning etc.

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Gary Lewis

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In reply to this post by Angelo Voltura

Angelo - Thanks. I made the changes on the write-ups for the beds, straps, and doors.

Gentlemen - Once you figure out all the nuances about the later instrument clusters you are going to need a good place to record it. But the scope of the documentation here is Bullnose, and the scope of the Interchange page is what will swap onto a Bullnose.

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Angelo Voltura

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This post was updated on .

Gary one more thing.

87-91 cowls are direct fit and match bullnose hood lines and also use the same wiper spray nozzle. They can be used as an alternative to the 80-86 cowls if you prefer the pin holes over slots for debris/visual reasons. 92-96 cowls physically fit but the body lines do not match and are completely different. They also introduce dual spray nozzles.

I do beleive the rod and latch style interior door handle parts interchange with the cable style of later trucks. Plastic door handles of the later trucks are a direct fit into ours, but we have the superior metal handles.

I also dont know if anyone had mentioned this yet but the window rain guards or vent shades all fit from 80-97.

1978 F150 351W
1979 F150 "410M"
1979 F100 302
1979 F250 400
1987 F150 300
1990 F150 302
1991 F150 300
1995 F150 (1985 clip swapped) 300
1997 F250 351W

85lebaront2

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You are correct that the rod and latch system will swap as an assembly into the later doors and as mentioned the bullnose used the metal handles. We just did exactly that on my friends 1995 F350 so he won't have the stretchable cables any more. The crew cab rear doors kept the rod release system, but the doors changed style in 1987 and again in 1992.

If you want power windows all around, I believe 1994 was the first year. I was trying to add them to my existing rear doors with no luck, the crew cab also got 4 door power locks then.

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Gary Lewis

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Angelo - Thanks. I think I incorporated your thoughts into the page, but look and see, please.

However, I don't understand what window rain guards you mean. Are they Ford or aftermarket?

Bill - I got a little lost in the discussion about electric windows for the crew cabs. Could you try that again? I've been

for hours and I think my brain is fried.

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Angelo Voltura

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I'm talking about the stainless ones from Ford.

1978 F150 351W
1979 F150 "410M"
1979 F100 302
1979 F250 400
1987 F150 300
1990 F150 302
1991 F150 300
1995 F150 (1985 clip swapped) 300
1997 F250 351W

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