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Gary Lewis

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One shown in the catalog is 383765, and here's what the Standard & Utility Parts Catalog says about it:
383765-S Bolt - Hex Hd. 5/16-18x3.625.

Another is 56124 and here's what it shows - a Type 2 head:

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Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker & 10.25 Sterling/Trutrac, Blue Top & Borgeson, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

ArdWrknTrk

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The only head that looks different is #4's reduced head.
Otherwise it looks like #3 has a pilot tip and #1 has an expanded shank under the head.

But, I may be way off base.

Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.

Gary Lewis

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Brandon - Did you find all of the fasteners?

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Bruno2

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Yes I did. I found another box that had some bags in it. I dont know why I have them stored in different places.

Whitey: 1996 F 250 XL CCLB 4X4 7.3 DI ZF5 (The Work Horse) Lots of power mods
Whitey Jr: AKA Jr 1982 F 150 CCLB 4X4 351W C6 (Jr Work Horse) respectable power, but not over the top
The Bronco: 1987 Bronco XLT 351W C6 (needs work) Lots of off road mods and plenty of power mods
The Dodge: 2006 Ram 2500 CCSB 4X4 5.9 HO Cummins (The reliable ride that cant keep an AC in itself) (5th AC go around almost complete)

Gary Lewis

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Glad you did. How far have you gotten?

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Bruno2

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Yesterday I installed the timing gears. The new eccentric came with a cam bolt. However, I opted to re use the old one because it had the hex head with slots cut in it (I cant remember the term and google cant help me either) that keeps a constant stress or torque on the bolt. My book said to use loctite on this bolt so I did . I used a dab of blue Loctite because I didnt want to use the red in this situation. The timing set is installed!

I cleaned up the work bench which was hiding a multitude of fasteners and such. I found another box that had some valvetrane fasteners and push rods in it. I did find the timing cover bolts. However, I need to figure out what the nut looks like that holds the oil pick up tube to the stud on the main cap. I also need to figure out what the bolts look like that hold the p/u tube to the oil pump.

The oil pump got installed with the drive shaft . So that is done now as well.

I found this little jewel while cleaning up the work bench:

ArdWrknTrk

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'Place Bolts'

You're making a lot of progress Brandon, and progress is good.

I don't think there is anything special about the bolts holding the pickup to the pump.
I would definitely use Loctite and the paper gasket.

Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.

Gary Lewis

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In reply to this post by Bruno2

That "jewel" is the adapter we made for the throttle bracket?

As for the bolts, the term is "place bolt".

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85lebaront2

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Brandon, the one for the 460 pickup tube is a "prevailing torque" style so it can't loosen and come off, and I believe it has a flange on it.

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Bruno2

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The "jewel is the kick down linkage adapter we made. We made 2 and I can't remember if there was something wrong with this one or not.

Gary Lewis

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I don't remember either. But, maybe it'll work this time?

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Bruno2

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Yesterday's events:

I picked up the two oil sump tubes that I dropped off at the machine shop to be put in the hot tank. I installed one put the other in a bag on the shelf. I couldnt find the proper nut for the main cap so I just used a 3/8" grade 8 nut with a washer underneath it. I used some loctite on the threads of the main cap stud and the two bolts that go to the oil pump. Whenever I do this I also use some ARP torque lube under the head as well as on both sides of the washers so they dont bind up there during installation.

One of the things I dont like about installing these front covers is how big the gaskets are. I always have to trim around them with a razor knife after the sealant has set up to keep it from looking "half ass". I will do that today some time.

Directly after the front cover went on I installed the balancer. This is a Pioneer product and looks like a nice quality part. I painted the inside of the front main seal with some STP along with the outside seal surface of the balancer. I painted the inside with some nickel based anti seize. Of course I lubed the balancer bolt and washer with ARP torque lube before I took the torque wrench to it. Torqued it to 70 ftlbs and then to 90.

Bruno2

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I have a couple of questions for the members here:

I believe the timing indicator goes on the left side of the balancer underneath the two front cover bolts?

Also, what color should I paint the timing indicator? Should I paint it like a yellow or something that stands out? Whatever color I use I am going to paint the dipstick handles the same.

Gary Lewis

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You are making good progress.

The timing pointer isn't shown in the illustrations in the catalog. But I do believe it is on the passenger's side and under two bolts of the timing cover.

But I'm not sure it needs to be painted to stand out. It really just masks the light from the timing gun, and it is the harmonic balancer and its marks that you need to see.

Or, is my remembrance of the pointer on a W wrong?

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85lebaront2

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Rotate the crank until #1 piston is at TDC (top of bore) and see where the 0° TDC mark is, that's where the pointer goes. I know on the 460s it is on the right (passenger) side. FWIW, manuals, parts lists and mechanics use left or right as the engine sits in the vehicle.

From the pictures in AllData, it appears to be the same as the 460s.

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Bruno2

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This post was updated on .

I havent made a lot of progress for a few reasons. I am battling a dirty shop which is being cleaned as I go. I have a few parts missing somewhere that I need to button up the lower end of the build. I want to get the pan on before I go to the top end of the motor. It seems I have discovered two different length oil dipsticks . I think I have a third somewhere to check the other two (I hope). Also, I need to find the actual dipstick tube so I can put it in the pan. It looks to me like the dipstick tube slips in and then a fitting threads onto the end inside of the pan. It looks impossible to do after the pan is attached. I am betting the tube needs to be cleaned up and painted as well.

I blasted and powder coated the oil pan awhile back. When doing so the dipstick tube adapted had to be removed from the pan so it all could be cleaned and wouldnt run oil out from the seams when in the powder coat oven. Then the adapter which was riveted needed to be tapped 1/4"-20 tpi in order to be re attached. I put the bolts into the pan so it could be mocked up for masking before I put the silicone on it for installation. I just didnt want a sloppy looking install job.

So, here it is ready for the dipstick:

Does anybody know if our pans take a 1/2" drain plug or 7/16"?

I want to order a magnetic one.

Gary Lewis

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Brandon - I hate to tell you, but I'm pretty sure you put the dip stick adapter onto the pan backwards. It should be inside the pan and the bolts going through from the outside into the adapter.

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Bruno2

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Well, thats not good...

I should have dug the old one out and looked. I tried it a couple of different ways and this looked the best lol.

The drain plug is a 1/2" 20 TPI by the way.

Bruno2

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Went to the garagemahal for a little powder coating and some more carb tech.

I don't have an after picture of the PC work, but I will post soon.

I PC'd the new later model battery tray that will be swapped in as well.

Bruno2

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The dipstick dilemma :

I showed up at Gary's with an assortment of dipsticks and dipstick tubes. Upon inspection all of these dipstick were different.it was a hot mess to get it figured out. Gary had to break out some microfiche and use the microfiche tower.

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