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Bruno2

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My Pioneer magnetic drain plug arrived to as well. I am not going to install the drain pan on the motor until I get the heads and top end assembled. Just in case.

Whitey: 1996 F 250 XL CCLB 4X4 7.3 DI ZF5 (The Work Horse) Lots of power mods
Whitey Jr: AKA Jr 1982 F 150 CCLB 4X4 351W C6 (Jr Work Horse) respectable power, but not over the top
The Bronco: 1987 Bronco XLT 351W C6 (needs work) Lots of off road mods and plenty of power mods
The Dodge: 2006 Ram 2500 CCSB 4X4 5.9 HO Cummins (The reliable ride that cant keep an AC in itself) (5th AC go around almost complete)

Gary Lewis

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Just happen to have a picture of one of the finished products. But I'll leave it to Brandon to tell how long it took to do that.

And, just for clarity, the "microfiche tower" needs some 'splaining. Bill/Numberdummy and Chris/ctubutis left me with two microfiche viewers when they were here last fall. But those things are bulky, so I put them on top of the powdercoating/paint booth. And, when I need to use one, which is rare, I pull out the 8' step ladder. "Microfice tower".

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Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker & 10.25 Sterling/Trutrac, Blue Top & Borgeson, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

Bruno2

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I should have taken a pic of you using the microfiche tower lol.

I have been laughing about that ever since.

Also, I was sandblasting while Gary was ficheing. I turned the blast cabinet ventilation system on simultaneously as Gary flipped on the microfiche machine. He though something crazy was going on with the microfiche machine .

That is a nice picture of that oil fill cap by the way. The oil fill cap disassembly was nothing short of a two hour gig. We tried everything. We made tools, lubed it up , hot water, a pry bar on every side while it was in the vice and you name it. Finally we took the heat gun to it and just got downright brutal with it. However, it turned out looking good and we didnt destroy it which was a miracle. It went right back together with little or no fight.

1986F150Six

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P-u-r-d-y!!!

Gary Lewis

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Yes, you should have taken a pic of me doing research. Things are getting packed in the Garagemahal, so I thought that was a neat solution for seldom-used pieces of equipment.

And Brandon is right, that plastic fitting fought us tooth and nail. The keys were heat and lubrication. The heat let both the rubber grommet and the plastic fitting give a bit more, and the lubrication let them slide past each other.

But the result was worth it.

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Bruno2

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Some thoughts about the build:

I dont like where the FPR is mounted on my Bronco. It is under the breather and hard to access. Also, the gauge is impossible to read without being a contortionist.

I am not fond of the rubber fuel line I used for the carb feed either. The horror stories Bill Vose told me about when they break and hose the dizzy down while it is running doesnt sound to be in my best interest.

I am using NPT fittings and hose barbs for most of it. It is getting the job done, but I dont like it.

This go around with Jr I am doing it different. The FPR is going to be out front by the accessories. The gauge is going to be set up with a 90° fitting that makes the gauge face forward. Instead of NPT and hose barbs I am going to use NPT fittings where they are tapped like fuel pump, FPR and carb, but convert those into JIC. Instead of using rubber fuel line I am going to use steel braided lines with JIC fittings. I will hold it in place with those rubber lined strap thingies to make it look sanitary and professional.

Gary Lewis

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I like the plan.

And I agree that rubber hose against the dizzy doesn't thrill me. So I want to see what you do.

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Bruno2

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I need to paint a few things with the rattle can so I can get back to the build. It may be too cold for any of that today. I will set a goal to get it done Sunday. I need to figure out what I am going to do about the water pump bolts also. I would like to go SS with them. It may mean making them custom because of Ford and their extremely uncommon bolt lengths. I will do some research today on the subject.

Bruno2

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I may have found a SS kit that is reasonable (reasonable to me $75) from these guys:

http://www.totallystainless.com/Contact%20Us.html

Here is the catalog page:

http://shop.totallystainless.com/2010catalog/catalog44.pdf

I believe my kit is :

6-0792 (they swear the correct WP bolts are included...) I need to call Monday to see for sure.

Which is designated passenger side water pump inlet, indented hex head, and sheet metal valve covers.

Gary, my VC's are sheet metal and not cast correct? They are just the factory Ford from that era covers.

I do like the way the high strength bolts sound. However, i dont like the $300 price tag with it...

Gary Lewis

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Looks good, Brandon. And yes, factory valve covers are sheet metal.

As for strength, there’s no need for stronger bolts.

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Bruno2

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Brandon Harrison wrote

This go around with Jr I am doing it different. The FPR is going to be out front by the accessories. The gauge is going to be set up with a 90° fitting that makes the gauge face forward. Instead of NPT and hose barbs I am going to use NPT fittings where they are tapped like fuel pump, FPR and carb, but convert those into JIC. Instead of using rubber fuel line I am going to use steel braided lines with JIC fittings. I will hold it in place with those rubber lined strap thingies to make it look sanitary and professional.

My buddy James called last night and said he took some fittings and other misc. parts his work was throwing away to his house. So I went by and grabbed a few I thought would be useable:

He also told me if I needed some SS tubing that he had some of that also:

Gary Lewis

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Wow! How many of those are you going to put on like jewelry?

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85lebaront2

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Those are nice aircraft style fittings, they are probably AN flare however.

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Bruno2

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They did come from an Air Force Base originally.

Bruno2

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They appear to be AN flare. They even say so on the fittings.

So What exactly is the thread size on the Edelbrock carburetors ? They say in the literature that they are 5/8"-20? Is that an SAE fitting or something? Do they have to have the metal washer with them to seal?

What are the fitting threads and sizes on the mechanical fuel pumps?

Bruno2

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The fuel pump says it is a 1/2-20 UNF? Is that inverted flare?

Gary Lewis

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UNF is Unified National Fine. So 1/2-20 is just the fine-pitched 1/2" thread.

But the Edelbrock's 5/8-20 is an odd thread. It isn't SAE UNC nor UNF, and it isn't NPT. I think it was used by several carb manufacturers, but is an uncommon size outside of carbs.

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Bruno2

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Doing some more powder coating for the engine parts:

Bruno2

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The cookies are ready:

Bruno2

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I finally got around to doing some more engine building. I was waiting on a few things like the bolt kit from totally Stainless and to powder coat a few more components like the timing indicator. I got the front cover bolted on with the indicator in place and torqued. I moved on to securing the pan with the one piece Fel Pro pan gasket which I adore compared to the 4 piece cork set up. The bolts didnt really show up in the pics.

Today I hope to get the water pump, lifters and heads installed. I had two boxes with a new water pumps in them. I am using the cast iron pump. I opened them up and found that one was already painted. However, it was the wrong Ford Blue color. I repainted it with the correct color and let it dry. That was one of the reasons stopped after the timing cover and pan.

Supposedly , the cast iron pumps are supposed to come with the rear cover sealed from the factory , but the aluminum's dont?

So is this baby sealed from the factory?

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