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nlongo33

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1981 F-100
1987 k5 blazer
1987 3+3 Crew Cab
1968 Galaxy Wagon
1967 Mustang
1925 Model T Sedan
2007 Dodge Megacab

Frank Wyatt

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Oh, OK. My mistake, looking at it again I could see the resemblance to the 1967 Galaxies in the profile. The grill and front threw me off. Growing up my dad had a '67 Custom with a 289 and later on a '67 LTD with a 390.

1981 F 150 Custom 300 ci with a fully rebuilt 1968 240 head Carter YFA T-18 3.25 9" rear 2WD
dual gas tanks
1990 Lincoln Town Car 5.0 AOD
Home town Mc Kenzie, TN

nlongo33

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Cool, mine is originally a 390 car but now has a 428

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1981 F-100
1987 k5 blazer
1987 3+3 Crew Cab
1968 Galaxy Wagon
1967 Mustang
1925 Model T Sedan
2007 Dodge Megacab

Machspeed

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My father was a Country Squire guy! As far back as I can remember, our first car was a 57 Ford Country Squire.....Red/white with gold trim, I think. We moved from California to Louisiana in that car. That would have been in 1968. I don't know how many miles he put on it but it was a lot. I think he gave it to one of my cousins, replacing it with a 66 Ford Country Squire Station Wagoner. As he was military, we moved a lot back in those days and it was fun seeing the country from the back seat of that old wagon. The car was a dark green with the faux wood siding, beautiful car back in those days. It was also a 390 car and another very reliable automobile. It's no wonder I have blue ovals running through my veins. I got my driver's license in that car. He gave that one away too.

John

"Blackie" - 1986 F150 4x4 - Mildly warmed over 351W HO - Original owner

FuzzFace2

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Nice job so far on the project.
I learned everything body work wise from my dad before I started high school and went to a tech high school to learn the other side of fixing cars.
There was only 2 cars of mine I did body work and painted that he saw. I wished he could see in person the truck all done but I know he is looking down on us and sees it.

BTW what is all this talk of wood for

I thought flare side came with metal ribbed floors

And dual fuel tanks

Dave ----

Dave G.
81 F100 flare side 300 six / AA OD / NP435 / 2.75 gear
http://cars.grantskingdom1.com/index.php/1980-Ford-F100?page=1
81 F100 style side 300 six/SROD parts truck -RIP
http://cars.grantskingdom1.com/index.php/1981-Ford-F100

nlongo33

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looks good ...questions and updated pictures tomorrow

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1981 F-100
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1968 Galaxy Wagon
1967 Mustang
1925 Model T Sedan
2007 Dodge Megacab

nlongo33

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Quiet weekend, a lot of little stuff got done: cleaned up more wiring, tune up, start to clean up engine bay, blue tooth radio and new speakers all around. Onto the pictures

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1981 F-100
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1968 Galaxy Wagon
1967 Mustang
1925 Model T Sedan
2007 Dodge Megacab

nlongo33

Re: Project Ferdinand

Question for the experts...

what to do with that MOTORCRAFT Variable Venturi Carburetor.....Information seems all over the board on what to do with these....everything from junk them with no real solid advice on to what to replace it with all the way to rebuild with mixed results....one thing for sure is the carb needs to be addressed.....

as always thanks

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1981 F-100
1987 k5 blazer
1987 3+3 Crew Cab
1968 Galaxy Wagon
1967 Mustang
1925 Model T Sedan
2007 Dodge Megacab

ArdWrknTrk

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Most of us would advise getting an appropriate venturi 2150 and do away with the VV.

Fonzie (Rick) will disagree, and he will probably be along to tout them.

But, in the end, it's your choice if you want to struggle with it or move on.

Another option is to get a 4V intake and a small 4-barrel.
395's and 435's are popular choices but not common to find.

Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.

Gary Lewis

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Good progress! And, as Jim says, progress is good.

Speaking of Jim, I agree on the carb. I'd go with a 2150 if you aren't changing anything else, like cam, intake, etc. But Holley made a carb specifically to replace the VV since so many people wanted them gone.

We have the factory shop manual section as well as info on the Holley carb on the page at Documentation/Fuel Systems/Carburetors, Chokes, & EFI/Motorcraft 7200 VV.

I believe the VV is a good carb, but is not well understood. However, I've never run one nor tuned one, so what do I know? Bill Vose/85lebaront2 is the one to ask about that.

Gary, AKA "Gary fellow": Profile

Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker & 10.25 Sterling/Trutrac, Blue Top & Borgeson, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

ArdWrknTrk

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255 is a smaller engine than I'm used to.
But 1.06" 2150's are easy to find.

As always, I defer to Bill for any tune-up or carburetion questions.

Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.

85lebaront2

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On the VV carb, if it is the feedback version and you are scrapping the rest of the feedback (probably either and MCU or EEC-III) system, then yes a small 2150 Motorcraft or a Holley 2300 is a good choice. The 255 V8 was also installed in 80s T-Birds, my neighbor had one and when it wore out he rebuilt a 302 for it. I had it's ancestor, a 260 in a 1964 Falcon. One of the issues with the 255 (shame it isn't a 1954 Mercury 255) from what I remember, the ports are extremely small to help with emissions and allegedly fuel economy. In a car it wasn't too bad, in a truck, I think I would rather have a 240 6 cyl.

If you do not have a feedback system, the VV, properly adjusted runs well and I stuck one on a 1957 312 with a Borg-Warner T85 w/OD in a 1958 F100, damn thing would get over 20 mpg.

Bill AKA "LOBO" Profile

"Getting old is inevitable, growing up is optional" Darth Vader 1986 F350 460 converted to MAF/SEFI, E4OD 12X3 1/2 rear brakes, traction loc 3:55 gear, 160 amp 3G alternator Wife's 2011 Flex Limited Daily Driver 2009 Flex Limited with factory tow package Project car 1986 Chrysler LeBaron convertible 2.2L Turbo II, modified A413

nlongo33

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Thanks for information, i will dig into that more today....
My ford buddy guru suggested these? Any opinions?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Two-2-Barrel-Carburetor-Carb-2100-For-Ford-400-302-351-Cu-Jeep-Engine-2150/284114386860?hash=item4226897fac:g:NikAAOSwyJlf1wnh

or
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B077HQP51S/ref=au_as_r?_encoding=UTF8&Make=Ford%7C54&Model=F-100%7C665&Year=1981%7C1981&ie=UTF8&newVehicle=1&vehicleId=1&vehicleType=automotive

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1981 F-100
1987 k5 blazer
1987 3+3 Crew Cab
1968 Galaxy Wagon
1967 Mustang
1925 Model T Sedan
2007 Dodge Megacab

ArdWrknTrk

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2150 has some key features the 2100 doesn't, and by the recommended engine sizes you show it is not going to get good vacuum signal on top of a much smaller displacement engine.

Not that I discount your friends advice.
Ask him why he prefers that over the 2150.

Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.

Gary Lewis

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Right.

Those adverts are very misleading. While those carbs may bolt onto all of those engines, they aren't right for all of those engines. Ford used different venturi sizes for different engines as well as different jetting in the carb.

As Jim said, your small engine needs a small carb to get a good vacuum signal and give decent part-throttle response and fuel economy. The 2100's and 2150's came in several sizes. According to Wikipedia "The 2150 improved on the 2100s design through the introduction of a variable air bleed system, which keeps the air to fuel mixture better balanced throughout the carburetor's full range of operation." And, it came in two sizes:

1.08 venturi, 287 CFM for engines up to and including the 302

1.21 venturi, 351 CFM for engines from 351 CI up to and including the 400

The 2100 came in several sizes, but they were also used on different engine sizes to give adequate vacuum at low RPM.

So while the advertised carbs will bolt on and let all of those engine sizes run, they won't run correctly. And the adverts don't say what size those carbs are.

Gary, AKA "Gary fellow": Profile

nlongo33

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Thanks for all the suggestions...more research to be done...just a Christmas tease of of a banner i am working on....shhhhh its not done yet

I have a wide format printer among other toys

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1981 F-100
1987 k5 blazer
1987 3+3 Crew Cab
1968 Galaxy Wagon
1967 Mustang
1925 Model T Sedan
2007 Dodge Megacab

nlongo33

Re: Project Ferdinand

From high to low, from fast to slow

1981 F-100
1987 k5 blazer
1987 3+3 Crew Cab
1968 Galaxy Wagon
1967 Mustang
1925 Model T Sedan
2007 Dodge Megacab

Gary Lewis

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That's cool!!!! What are your plans for it?

Gary, AKA "Gary fellow": Profile

FuzzFace2

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I like the Holley 2300 in a 350 CFM size the only thing is does the truck have an auto trans and if so a kick down rod? If so I hear that setting up the rod to work on a Holley carb can be a bear to get working right.

I have used the Holley 2300 350 CFM on a 304 AMC motor and with a little tuning works great.
I could not get the MC carb to run right that was on it.
I cant see why the 2300 would not work on the smaller 255? motor with a little tuning.

I don't think I would go for a v4 intake & carb, 390 CFM is the smallest Holley vacuum carb I know of, but does the intake that fits your motor fit the larger 302? If so then maybe as it could be swapped over at a later date if you wanted.
Dave ----

ps, It sounded like you tried everything to get that cross member out.
Some times you just have to walk away

nlongo33

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Gary, plans are to print it out and send it to you as a thank you for the cool site and all of the work...and if members show an interest maybe we can get them a few too..

302 stuff will not interchange with the 255....trying to keep a budget and spending 250+ on a carb for a motor that we will replace down the line just isn't in cards, i am trying to low budget engine stuff knowing that the 255 will be getting removed, but i need to address drivability....hope that makes sense?

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1981 F-100
1987 k5 blazer
1987 3+3 Crew Cab
1968 Galaxy Wagon
1967 Mustang
1925 Model T Sedan
2007 Dodge Megacab

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