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Bob - The links work, and are as good as embedding the videos here. But if you want to know how to do it I'll explain - in the morning. I'm headed to bed soon and have absolutely JUST gotten the forum back on line after fighting it all day.
But, I'll certainly watch them in the morning. Looking forward to it, for sure. 
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Ok, I'm watching the videos now. And some thoughts:
Your buddy's Jeep seems to be having a bit of problem right out of the chute getting over things. Is it due to the open diffs? And later, around the 10 minute mark on the first video he really struggles. What power steering pump were you running, a C-II? And it is hilarious that you said "Don't stall it" right where you'd stalled.  Were both of you aired down? It sure seems like there is a lot of bouncing. But I do see that the trail was really, really rocky. And did your buddy make it? The first video stops with him having problems! And so does the 2nd video! Anyway, I like them! Keep them coming. And do you want to know how to embed?
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This post was updated on .
On Youtube it is easy:
But here's a bit more on that. In your video's case the code says 'width="560"' and "height=315"'. But I find that too small so usually increase it to twice that, meaning 1120 and 630. And, if you tick the "Start at" box before copying the embed code there will be a "start=" parameter added to your code, and then you can hit Preview and play with that parameter to get it to start where you want. Or, set it to 0 to start from the beginning.
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And I removed it from my post. No hurry on the answers. Just curious. And, waiting on more videos.
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He was handicapped by open diffs, a stiff suspension and lack of experience. I had one locker and slightly more compliant suspension, but otherwise was similarly handicapped! It was actually a Saginaw. It was on the Jeep when I bought it. It always had that annoying whine, but it always worked, so I never got around to replacing it. And he was (good-naturedly) jabbing at me every time I stalled my Jeep, so I had to take advantage of the one time he let me get back at him! I mentioned that we were both handicapped by inexperience! Tire pressure was a part of that. We also had quite a bit of highway driving to get to and from those trails, and had no way to air back up. I was running ~30 psi (or whatever full street pressure I ran in those tires). I don't know what he was running, but I'm sure it was a lot higher than I'd recommend now. He did winch twice on the first trail. The first time was to get up that little rough patch in the very first scene of the first video. That was due to him having an incompetent spotter! I was trying to get him up the same line I had taken, well to his left. That worked for me with a rear locker, but with his open diffs he needed to move over to the right side. (By the way, look at the picture below to see how much this trail has changed!) I had intentionally stayed away from the right side because this was Lesley's first time on a shelf road and she was NOT amused at seeing I-70 1500 feet below her! Steve's second winch was right after the end of the first video. I'm sure we could've got him up, but he was ready to get past that section and took the quick way. At the end of the second video he wasn't stuck at all, but he was set up for a line I didn't like from my perspective. It looked like he was going to drop his left front off a rock while his right front climbed the bank. That's a good way to roll (like the FJ-40 in the Black Bear video) so I stopped him. He was able to back up and take a new line a little to his left. Glad you like them! As I said, my plan is to get all of my 'wheeling trips to date loaded. I don't know how long that'll take me (it's not going to be a real high priority). But I'll get there. That little climb that the green Jeep was struggling with in the first scene of the first video has changed over the years! The video shows it in 1993. 25 year later I ran that trail in my Bronco. I reported on it here in this thread, but here's a picture of my Bronco coming down that same section! 
Bob
Sorry, no '80 - '86 Ford trucks "Oswald": 1997 F-250HD crew cab short box, 460, E4OD, 4.10 gears "Pluto": 1971 Bronco, 302, NV3550 5 speed, Atlas 4.3:1 transfer case, 33" tires "the motorhome": 2015 E-450-based 28' class C motorhome, 6.8L V-10 "the Dodge": 2007 Dodge 2500, 6.7L Cummins |
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I guess thinking back on it, the suspension on both Jeeps was somewhat stiff. But I didn't catch that. Still, airing down would have been a big help, and your locker surely made a huge difference. However, glad to see he did make it through, albeit by winching a couple of times. Been there, done that, and it was due to the same kind of incompetence.
 I've never heard a Sag pump make that kind of noise. Initially I thought it was the t-case. But it was obvious it was the pump as you were turning around. As for stalling, both of you did several times. But it was funny that he stalled where you did. Seriously though, that is a big pain! Until I blew out the carb's idle circuits Big Blue stalled several times, and it is kind of scary to lose the power brakes and steering on the side of a mountain. Speaking of the side of the mountain, I thought that looked like I-70 below. Janey wouldn't have liked that, either. And wow, that section of the trail has really changed! I would never have recognized it. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't like the angle your Bronco is at, and it might be worse in Big Blue. 
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LOL! Yes, it is where you started, and that's surely well past where I started.
Sounds like my 33's and essentially no rocker guards wouldn't make it either. (Have visions of turning the step bars into rocker guards at some point, which is partly why I reinforced the mounts so dramatically.) As for the angle, having now seen the FJ go over I'm leery. I don't think I'd have gone where you did.
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I probably wouldn't go there either if I knew what I was doing!
 That was a few years ago and I don't remember everything perfectly, but it was at the end of the last day of a week-long 'wheeling trip. I had really wanted to go over this trail for nostalgia reasons and I was turned back. I think I was probably hurrying a bit too much and didn't spot this quite as well as I should've. Lesley was in front (with the camera), but she does not spot for me, so it's all on me. I've said before how dropping one front tire too far before the other drops has seemed to me to be the most common way to have an actual rollover (as opposed to just flopping over on your side). In watching other people roll on YouTube that's what seems to be the easiest mistake to make. If you look behind my front tires you can see that this was not quite the case here, but effectively it was the same. My right front was going down a fairly consistent slope but my left front just came out of a hole. That's a lot like the FJ-40 running his left front up on the bank when his right front was already lower on the sloped trail. One or two things saved me from a roll here. One might have been that my accelerating was successful at pulling the tires back under the cg. It's a little counter-intuitive to hit the gas in a situation like that, kind of like not hitting the brakes when you're going too fast on snow and are starting to slide. But it is what you need to do. Think of what would happen if you did the opposite and nailed the brakes. That unweights the rear more, exacerbating the problem I needed to solve. The other thing that likely saved me was just luck! In spite of not paying close enough attention I still didn't cross the thin line. I'd rather be good than lucky. But when I'm not good enough I'll sure take lucky! A better line from this view would've been about 3' to the left, getting my right side tires out of that hole. Of course from this view you can't see how close that would've put me to ending up on I-70! So there may have been a good reason I was where I was. But yes, it was closer to a roll than I wish I'd been!
Bob
Sorry, no '80 - '86 Ford trucks "Oswald": 1997 F-250HD crew cab short box, 460, E4OD, 4.10 gears "Pluto": 1971 Bronco, 302, NV3550 5 speed, Atlas 4.3:1 transfer case, 33" tires "the motorhome": 2015 E-450-based 28' class C motorhome, 6.8L V-10 "the Dodge": 2007 Dodge 2500, 6.7L Cummins |
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I'd not thought about hitting the gas, but I can see that hitting the brakes would be the last thing to do, so hitting the gas would be good. The analogy about skidding on snow is appropriate.
 And yes, dropping one tire while the other goes up can be a major problem. My new truck, and probably a lot of the Jeeps and other vehicles, have inclinometers that should warn you about an impending debacle. But, at what point are you going to tip? How do you tell in advance? This discussion, and seeing that FJ roll, makes me even more cautious. And I already was pretty cautious. In fact, our new-found friend with the 4Runner said he could easily tell who was driving as my brother is a lot less cautious than I am. I laughed it off saying "It's my truck!" But the fact is that I've always been more cautious than he.  Anyway, I'm looking forward to more videos! Lots of fun second-guessing lines, suspension, lockers, etc.
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Man!
Pavement aggregates are impressive on this mountain road!
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My first 'wheeling trip was to Colorado in 1987 for a week living out of my friend's brand new '87 YJ (the odometer turned 5000 miles on top of Mt. Bross). It wasn't called overlanding then, but now I guess it would be.
My second trip was the one in the two videos above. We were staying in campgrounds and using the Jeeps to run out to the trails. My third trip also had no video documentation, but it was "overlanding" as well, in Colorado for a week in '95 with two of us living out of my '85 F-250. By '96 I had two kids, and there was no way the four of us were going to live out of a CJ5. But that was still the type of trip I (thought I) wanted to take. So I built a trailer that the Jeep could pull on trails. I was scrambling to get it finished for another week in Colorado. I didn't quite make it, but I was close enough. I stuck some aluminum flashing on for fenders, attached a piece of plywood for a lid and called it good. No paint yet, but it was time to go! We left my 11 month old son with my parents and took my two year old along. A friend also joined in with his Chevy S-10. It turned out that driving a CJ5 from Minnesota to Colorado isn't really as much fun as you might think . The 4.27 gears limited me to about 50 mph, so it was a long, loud drive. Once out there we found that camping out of a Jeep wasn't really what we wanted to be doing either. We survived it (although we did stay in hotels a couple of nights). But this was my last overlanding trip.
Anyway, here are the videos: This is a short clip driving around a little to see how the Jeep and trailer would work with each other: Here is a little from Mosquito Pass. This is a road that any high clearance vehicle could do with low enough gearing, even in 2WD. But it was narrow and shelfy, with tight switchbacks. So it gave us some good experience. We returned to South Halfmoon Creek (a trail from the trip above). Still a pretty easy trail, but good experience for beginners. Taylor Pass was another good beginner trail. We had to pick lines, and driving through the creek was fun (but even the S-10 was a challenge to make one turn in the creek). But neither the rock nor the water was over our heads! And this isn't a 'wheeling video, but it's too fun not to share! My two year old sat on my lap and drove the Jeep for a little on a smooth section of gravel! So that wraps up that trip. Thanks for reading and watching!
Bob
Sorry, no '80 - '86 Ford trucks "Oswald": 1997 F-250HD crew cab short box, 460, E4OD, 4.10 gears "Pluto": 1971 Bronco, 302, NV3550 5 speed, Atlas 4.3:1 transfer case, 33" tires "the motorhome": 2015 E-450-based 28' class C motorhome, 6.8L V-10 "the Dodge": 2007 Dodge 2500, 6.7L Cummins |
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Love the videos! And especially the one with Mikey driving.
The trailer seems to have done very well. I've often wondered how they are on the trail, but it seems to have followed nicely. What did you think about it? Could you go where you wanted to go? Did it tend to stop you at times? And the S10 seems to have done well. Maybe as well as your buddy's Jeep in the previous videos? Did it have a locker? But you still didn't have a way to air up, right?
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Bob - Interesting about the trailer. I'd often wondered.
But I didn't know those S10 ZR2's were that capable. His really did well compared to the Jeep. Dane - You'll have to tell us how the search for the S10 goes. Don't hesitate to post what you find. As for the t-case whine, Big Blue is rather noisy on the mountain. The headers and Magnaflow's can be heard, but that BW1345 makes the most noise. 
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