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Gary Lewis

Re: Little Blue 82

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Sounds like a plan, Ray. It is yours and I'll do my best to not tear it up trying to get it apart.

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Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker & 10.25 Sterling/Trutrac, Blue Top & Borgeson, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

Ray Cecil

Re: Little Blue 82

Thank you very much.

1988 F250 Supercab Longbed 7.3 IDI, C6, 1356, GEARVENDORS, 4.10 Sterling with autolocker

1986 F150 302, C6, 9" 2.75, Wood Flatbed

Ray Cecil

Re: Little Blue 82

Just took it for a spin. Ran like a dry turd.

Tried turning it off. It dieseled until I let out the clutch to kill it.

We have work to do. Ripping Cali crap off as soon as possible.

1988 F250 Supercab Longbed 7.3 IDI, C6, 1356, GEARVENDORS, 4.10 Sterling with autolocker

1986 F150 302, C6, 9" 2.75, Wood Flatbed

Rembrant

Re: Little Blue 82

In reply to this post by Gary Lewis

Can that transmission mount be converted to the narrower/smaller one that goes in the middle? They're barely $10 at Rockauto.

1994 F150 4x2 Flareside. 5.0 w/MAF, 4R70W, stock.
1984 F150 4X2 Flareside. Mild 302 w/ 5spd. Sold.
1980 F150 4X4 Flareside. 300i6 w/ 5spd. Sold in 2021.
1980 F100 4X2 Flareside. 351w/2bbl w/NP435. Sold in 1995

Gary Lewis

Re: Little Blue 82

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I'm sure it could be converted, but I wouldn't want to do it. The narrow one is for 2wd trucks while the wider one is for 4wd trucks.

I think the reason for the wider one on the 4wd trucks is because the transfer case hangs off the the side. That creates a rocking motion to the engine/transmission/transfer case so the wider base is needed.

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Rembrant

Re: Little Blue 82

Gary Lewis wrote

I'm sure it could be converted, but I wouldn't want to do it. The narrow one is for 2wd trucks while the wider one is for 4wd trucks.

I think the reason for the wider one on the 4wd trucks is because the transfer case hangs off the the side. That creates a rocking motion to the engine/transmission/transfer case so the wider base is needed.

Gary,

The '85 4x4 I bought (with AOD) had the narrow mount, and the 1995 5spd trans (4x4) I bought came with the narrow mount. I've seen other 4x4 Bullnoses with the narrow mount too. It makes sense for the extra support on the 4x4, but it wasn't on all trucks which seems odd. I thought it was a 4x4 NP435 thing...but seeing it on Ray's truck proves that wrong.

Ray Cecil

Re: Little Blue 82

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Okay. I have to decide what to do on the intake, carb and exhaust. Jegs has this Offenhauser kit with Holley carb and hedman headers.....but the headers dont fit 4wd....I wonder what the interference issue is?

If I am patient, I might find a used Offenhauser intake and a set of used efi manifolds. Then just buy the Holley carb.

Clifford parts are way too rich for my blood.

Summit has a house brand HEI dizzy for $280

Does anyone know if I can run the factory carb with the emissions garbage with the egr and emissions crud removed? I may just run the Summit Dizzy with the factory carb until I decide what to do, or until I find good used parts.

1988 F250 Supercab Longbed 7.3 IDI, C6, 1356, GEARVENDORS, 4.10 Sterling with autolocker

1986 F150 302, C6, 9" 2.75, Wood Flatbed

Gary Lewis

Re: Little Blue 82

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I didn't realize some 4x4's don't have the wide mount. But, I should have done as Dad's truck has the narrow mount, and it can from and F250 4x4.

So, you could convert. Might be the way to go.

As for the engine mods, I'd suggest doing the dizzy and running the existing carb. Again, it might be a little rich or lean as you won't have a computer controlling it, but it should work.

However, have you checked to see if you have wiring going to the carb? Maybe it isn't feedback? Do you have vacuum going to the distributor? If not it is EEC and should have originally been a feedback carb.

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Ray Cecil

Re: Little Blue 82

Gary, I have that 89 bronco I am going to go pickup soon. I have no idea what its crossmember looks like yet. With a little luck, it might have what I need.

I bought the Summit HEI dizzy. Its on its way.

Here is a photo of the carb. The yellow wire loom has one or two wires running somewhere in the carb. I have no idea if this is a feedback carb.

1988 F250 Supercab Longbed 7.3 IDI, C6, 1356, GEARVENDORS, 4.10 Sterling with autolocker

1986 F150 302, C6, 9" 2.75, Wood Flatbed

Ray Cecil

Re: Little Blue 82

Also, I am 85% sure there is a vacuum leak. I can hear it when sitting inside the cab. When I touch the brake peddal, it goes away or is unnoticeable. I will plug the vac line tomorrow going to the booster and see what happens.

1988 F250 Supercab Longbed 7.3 IDI, C6, 1356, GEARVENDORS, 4.10 Sterling with autolocker

1986 F150 302, C6, 9" 2.75, Wood Flatbed

Gary Lewis

Re: Little Blue 82

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Ray - I think that's the feedback carb. Here are a couple of pics of one of them, and you can see in the right shot the thing the wires in the yellow loom go into.

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Gary Lewis

Re: Little Blue 82

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Here's a test I found for a leaking booster:

One quick test for leakage, is to turn the engine off and press the brake pedal. If the pedal still has one or two assisted applications before getting hard to press, likely no leak exists.

And then it offers this regarding why boosters fail:

When brake boosters fail the reason is often outside the booster itself. For instance a bad master cylinder leaks fluid into the booster. Brake fluid will cause deterioration of the diaphragm resulting in failure. If misdiagnosed, the failed booster can provide a vacuum to the rear of a replacement master cylinder and quickly ruin it, repeating the cycle.

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Ray Cecil

Re: Little Blue 82

Thanks a lot Gary. I figured if I plugged the booster vacuum line I would eliminate the leak in the booster, and the sound.

But that procedure would be faster.

It sounds like the engine is running without the air cleaner lid on, but hit the brake and it goes away. So I am pretty sure it a leaky booster.

1988 F250 Supercab Longbed 7.3 IDI, C6, 1356, GEARVENDORS, 4.10 Sterling with autolocker

1986 F150 302, C6, 9" 2.75, Wood Flatbed

Ray Cecil

Re: Little Blue 82

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Rembrant wrote

Did he just change an axle or axles? Or the whole diff? The certification label indicates non-locking, but if he changed it then I guess it will be a mystery until you spin it or pull it.

Sorry, I started looking back through here and realized I have missed some comments.

Previous owner said he had the entire axle swapped.

Gary. About the hitch... I was looking at it.....its made in three pieces. Two brackets that bolt to frame. The middle piece with the reciever bolts to the two brackets, and its installed upside down!

1988 F250 Supercab Longbed 7.3 IDI, C6, 1356, GEARVENDORS, 4.10 Sterling with autolocker

1986 F150 302, C6, 9" 2.75, Wood Flatbed

FuzzFace2

Re: Little Blue 82

Ray Cecil wrote

Rembrant wrote

Did he just change an axle or axles? Or the whole diff? The certification label indicates non-locking, but if he changed it then I guess it will be a mystery until you spin it or pull it.

Sorry, I started looking back through here and realized I have missed some comments.

Previous owner said he had the entire axle swapped.

Gary. About the hitch... I was looking at it.....its made in three pieces. Two brackets that bolt to frame. The middle piece with the reciever bolts to the two brackets, and its installed upside down!

Hit a button and lost a long post

That hitch sounds like the same I have and IIRC there is no way the side frame parts can be installed upside down as the holes don't line up. And yes it does hang low.

Clutch: Check all the pivots points as they wear and egg shape and add plat to the system.
I welded the pivots and reshaped them by hand with grinding and hand files.

There is also plastic bushings on the cross shaft from frame to motor. You can get the bushings, felt seals & lock clip from LMC & Denis Carpenter.
You CAN NOT get the motor pivot that screws into the motor. Mine had a lot of wear and I also have to weld and reshape it.

When moving the truck 1 day the linkage felt bad. Upon looking it over I found the motor pivot broke leaving the threaded part in the block. I was lucky that part came out easy but now what to do on a part you cant get? Why you make one!
I found a bolt with the right thread pitch, cut the head off the bolt and welded the threaded part to the ball part of the pivot. Got it all back together and works great.

Did I see that your dist. has a vacuum can on it and if so a vacuum line to it? If so you would not need to replace it but you do have a new dist. coming if a saw it posted right.
My 81 is a non-feed back system but I am using the stock carb and EFI exh. manifolds and so far just moving it around is working good.

Good luck
Dave ----

Dave G.
81 F100 flare side 300 six / AA OD / NP435 / 2.75 gear
http://cars.grantskingdom1.com/index.php/1980-Ford-F100?page=1
81 F100 style side 300 six/SROD parts truck -RIP
http://cars.grantskingdom1.com/index.php/1981-Ford-F100

Ray Cecil

Re: Little Blue 82

Dave, thanks for all that info.

Yes, the hitch side brackets are installed correctly. Its the center section that needs to be flipped. Once flipped, it will sit lower and in the correct position.

I am pretty sure I am going to pull the motor and clean everything up, remove the wires I dont need, inspect everything and stick it back in.

Every seal is leaking from valve cover to output shaft seal on xfer case. So.....

I may just remove the bed and cab. Would make it easier to work on everything.

Im affraid my backup truck is going to end up being my project #2. The big blue impala is now being neglected.

1988 F250 Supercab Longbed 7.3 IDI, C6, 1356, GEARVENDORS, 4.10 Sterling with autolocker

1986 F150 302, C6, 9" 2.75, Wood Flatbed

Ray Cecil

Re: Little Blue 82

Also, the previous owner said it had the original spare......

The spare is a BF Goodrich All Terrain.....im no expert, correct me if I am wrong, but I dont think the factory used BF Goodrich All Terrains. Maybe the dealer installed them? Not that it matters.

1988 F250 Supercab Longbed 7.3 IDI, C6, 1356, GEARVENDORS, 4.10 Sterling with autolocker

1986 F150 302, C6, 9" 2.75, Wood Flatbed

Ray Cecil

Re: Little Blue 82

These are the wheels and tires Id like to put on LB82.

I love the clear blinkers and no blue oval look too.

1988 F250 Supercab Longbed 7.3 IDI, C6, 1356, GEARVENDORS, 4.10 Sterling with autolocker

1986 F150 302, C6, 9" 2.75, Wood Flatbed

Ray Cecil

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Dave, the links in your signature are broken.

1988 F250 Supercab Longbed 7.3 IDI, C6, 1356, GEARVENDORS, 4.10 Sterling with autolocker

1986 F150 302, C6, 9" 2.75, Wood Flatbed

FuzzFace2

Re: Little Blue 82

Yea I know my site is down, think I have to renew my domain name from what my "IT guy" (my son) said.
The domain name & hosting are 2 different people and I cant log into the domain site to check things so need to call them someday, maybe today?

I will have to re-check my hitch to see if the center can be flipped to get it a little higher.
Then again I should measure the hitch on my Dodge that I use to pull the car trailer to see what it is as I would be using the Ford as a back up when needed but only have 1 WD hitch with a 2-5/16" ball and it is set for the dodge height.
Dave ----

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