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BigBrother-84

C-322 - Duraspark II distributor connector

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Recently, Jim asked me about the NAPA part number for a C-322 Female Connector replacement.
I did replace it in Big Bro, but I didn't remember well what part I used.
I dug in my memory (and pictures) and here I share with you (and mainly for dummies like me) the infos I collected about this famous connector.

So, what are we talking about... Let's begin with a short description.

Here is a general diagram of a Duraspark II system.
The three connectors we're going to discuss are coloured:
• Ignition module: C-323 (orange) and C-321 (green)
• Distributor C-322 (red)

Here is a dersciptive table:

Male connectors:
C-321 and C-323 Male connectors come with the Ignition Module (see above table).
C-322 Male connector comes with the Distributor Stator:

NAPA Female connectors:
• C-321: NAPA #UNI-EC72
• C-323: NAPA #UNI-EC127

Note that I saw C-321 priced lower at Home Depot, Car-Pak (#93-7103) and Fastener.Zone (Auveco #20841).
I didn't verified, but accordingly to Fastener.Zone, C-321 Ford part number is supposed to be 3U2Z-14S411-XXA.

OK, let's focus on the famous Female C-322.

I found 3 ways to get it:

1- Painless replacement ignition harness. Here are pictures of the harness, C-321+C-323, and C-322:

2- MSD Performance «Female to Ford Distributor» cable assembly, part #8869.
IMPORTANT: It comes with a 2 wires cable only, so will need to add a third wire.

Personally, I don't like the Painless and the MSD connectors (they look identical), because they are not sealed so they are exposed to corrosion.

3- My preferred solution: Modify a NAPA C-321 replacement female connector (UNI-EC72), by simply cutting the plastic tabs. C-322 Male is so tight that there is no risk that it will disconnect.

Below side by side NAPA and Painless/MSB connectors:

Jeff / 1984 F350 Crew Cab 4x4/5.8L w351 4V/ T18/ D50 4.10 front/ 8' bed.
Restored 2019-2022.
Nicknamed «Big Brother 1984», due to its soooo-looong shape & nod to George Orwell's 1984 famous novel.

Gary Lewis

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Well documented, Jeff!

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viven44

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Thanks for the documentation. I was aware of option #1, and it is very expensive. I wasn't aware of option 2. I literally just did option #3, bought the Duraspark version of the harness and cut those tabs off.. Worked really well. Gary probably saw the wiring mess I had on my 78 Bronco.

It was converted over to MSD ignition because the previous owner didn't realize it was just a bad ignition switch and a bad neutral safety swtich so he decided to bypass both of those things and just replace the entire ignition system to something better because the duraspark II kept shutting down on him and never worked well

I had to rewire it back to duraspark 2 as most of the MSD components were in shambles, and had to replace all those female connectors.

I had considered an option #4, but dropped it because I wanted to modify the least number of wires and option #3 had no downsides and I had already bought the female connector. Option #4 is to get a 3 pin weather proof connection and modify both the male and female distributor connectors. Any downsides to option #4 ? One downside is that it wouldn't be easily recognizable to a future owner.

Vivek

- 'Big Blue 2WD' - 1984 F350 RWD 460/C6
- 1978 Bronco with the heart of a 1986 F250 Bullnose - under restoration
- "Bonded Bronco" -1985 Bronco - 302 4-speed fuel injected, Hibernating future project

Gary Lewis

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I try to make my modifications, the few that I do (

), such that the parts can be replaced in the future. So I wouldn't want to do #4 as you cannot buy a dizzy with that connector.

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viven44

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That would be a solid downside. Didn't think of that. But I'm glad I went with option #3.

ArdWrknTrk

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Absolutely thank you for this, Jeff

It seems we need a new tab on the DS-II page Gary! 😉

Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.

Gary Lewis

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ArdWrknTrk wrote

It seems we need a new tab on the DS-II page Gary! 😉

I agree, and have already been looking for where to put that info. Here are some options:

Documentation/Electrical/Ignition:

Documentation/Electrical/Connectors

Documentation/Electrical/Electrical Connectors

Documentation/Electrical/Terminals & Connectors

What I'm thinking is that it be mentioned and linked to on the Ignition page, but then I do a full-scale rationalization on the three pages on connectors and get it on there.

Thoughts? Did I miss another page that has DS-II?

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ArdWrknTrk

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The "Bullnose Upgrades" page is very important IMO

Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.

BigBrother-84

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Gary, I can send you by email all the jpeg’s (full resolution), if you want to place them differently in some other reference tab.

Jeff / 1984 F350 Crew Cab 4x4/5.8L w351 4V/ T18/ D50 4.10 front/ 8' bed.
Restored 2019-2022.
Nicknamed «Big Brother 1984», due to its soooo-looong shape & nod to George Orwell's 1984 famous novel.

Gary Lewis

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I'll check that one out as well, Jim.

Jeff, that would certainly help. Thanks.

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ArdWrknTrk

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This post was updated on .

I don't think there is one, that's my point...

Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.

ArdWrknTrk

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Jeff's DS-II connectors have black wires but someone needs to point out the detail that the stock wiring switches red & white wires at the power plug!

This is important, because otherwise the spark will go away when you let the key off Start.

Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.

Gary Lewis

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Good point, Jim. I'll try to remember that, but doubt I will so please remind me if I forget.

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ArdWrknTrk

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A picture's worth a thousand words... 😉

Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.

Gary Lewis

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And that's a good one. Thanks!

Gary, AKA "Gary fellow": Profile

ArdWrknTrk

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You might want to rotate it 180°. 🙃

Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.

viven44

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Confusing bit of info on the red and white wires that I encountered recently. My 78 Bronco's EVTM calls for white to white and red to red, and I wired it just that way. But later had to cut and reverse as most Duraspark 2 boxes you can buy today want Red to be the only one energized while running, White is only for timing retard while cranking.

I still don't understand why the 1979 EVTM calls for white-white and red-red

ArdWrknTrk

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The evtm is wrong, obviously

Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.

ArdWrknTrk

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Are they calling for a blue grommet module in 1979?

I mean, they definitely had them....

Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.

viven44

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Just added a pic. That is the only possible explanation that the EVTM is wrong.