1986 F-250 XLT 6.9 idi C6 switch to 300 4 speed

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Gary Lewis
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Yes, I think the hot tank might be too much for aluminum.  That's why I was thinking to block off the carb port, point the runners in the air, and fill them with acetone or somesuch.  You could then block the top of the runners with something to minimize evaporation, and then come back periodically to stir and top up.

As for the ham license, yes it required study.  But I actually learned it - because I wanted to.  I remember about 5 years later walking up to a guy who was studying for his final in Electronics.  I looked over his shoulder and said "5-tube superhet".  He wheeled around and said "How do you know that!?!?!?"  Duh!  I pointed out the 5 tubes, then started explaining what the 35W4 rectifier did, the 50C5 amplifier did, etc.  He was incredulous.

And the difference was in "wanting to".  He "had to" and I "wanted to".  That makes all the difference.  And looking back on it, that explains Mrs. Boxburger.  She was a "townie" in our little college town that was taking math courses because she wanted to.  We hated her because she blew us away on the tests.

Fast forward about 50 years and I was Mrs. Boxburger.  I took a community college course on machine shop, and the kids surely hated me.  I know that 'cause the teacher said they did.  On the final I got done and no one else was done, so I put my answers to the side, took the test again, and compared.  Exactly the same.  I turned it in and went out in the shop.  Along comes the teacher and said I didn't miss a thing.  Next comes a guy from Poland who asked what I put on such and so question, and I told him.  He asked where I got that and I told him it was in the book.  He said "You read the book??????"  I didn't have the heart to tell him that the night I got the book I skimmed it from cover to cover.  And as we did each chapter I re-read that chapter and did the exercises on my little lathe-mill-drill machine.  
Gary, AKA "Gary fellow": Profile

Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker & 10.25 Sterling/Trutrac, Blue Top & Borgeson, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

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nic55kel
I am still running the cast iron intake and I think heat and aggressive chemicals are the way to clean it.
My experience with solvents especially at low temperatures on the cylinder head does not give me much confidence in that approach accomplishing too much.
I think there is a good reason the machine shops used to use hot tanking back when most of what they were working with was cast iron. Items that I have seen cleaned like that are pristine. Anyway all winter to ponder that one.

The all american 5 tube superhet the model T of radios. I am sure anyone studying electronics back in the day would have to be familiar with that one. I still love the tube type equipment and have several tube receivers and also transmitters with tube finals. I currently have a (1953 or so) hallicrafters S107 receiver on my bench - changing out capacitors etc. even the caps in the IF transformers.

You are so right about the difference between studying out of interest rather than for a job or out of compulsion.
About 2 years ago I was lucky enough to score a copy of the RCAF electronic training manual for radar techs etc. from 1955. I think most of the text was from the war years when the only agenda was the efficient transfer of knowledge. I love reading stuff like that. Here in Canada we have two classes of radio license, basic and advanced. When I wrote my ticket I did them both at the same time and easily passed. It seemed impressive to some of the other amateur radio club members but I had read all the texts and more because I found them fascinating.

Bob near Winnipeg

1986 F250 Lariat extended cab 300 T18 2WD
1979 Honda CX500
1992 Oldsmobile 98 touring sedan
2007 F250 6.0 4wd
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Gary Lewis
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Ahhh!  You still have the cast iron intake.  Then hot-tanking it might be the right approach.

As for that manual, I'm sure it would be a fun read.  Somewhere I have some old amateur radio books that I'd basically memorized to get my license.

And, I think I still have my Heathkit (DX100 I think) transmitter and Knightkit R100A receiver - both of which use tubes.
Gary, AKA "Gary fellow": Profile

Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker & 10.25 Sterling/Trutrac, Blue Top & Borgeson, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

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nic55kel
Hi Gary et al,

Looking forward to getting going on this project again but mother doesn't want me to (mother nature).
Things were making a little progress at the beginning of the month



Then we had a big snow storm last weekend and possibly another this weekend.



I have enjoyed Ham radio over the winter. I love and have a few all tube rigs myself, something about 800 volts dc and that glow in the dark, but I am eager to get outside and do mechanical work again.
I think when the weather does break it will be summer overnight.
Bob near Winnipeg

1986 F250 Lariat extended cab 300 T18 2WD
1979 Honda CX500
1992 Oldsmobile 98 touring sedan
2007 F250 6.0 4wd
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BigBrother-84
Hi Bob,
I followed this snow storm on Weather Forecast channels, hoping it wasn't going to reach East.  We had strong winds, very little snow and lot of rain.
I hope for West friends that "Mother" will melt this snow rapidly and finally give you a real spring!
Stay brave and good luck!
Jeff / 1984 F350 Crew Cab 4x4/5.8L w351 4V/ T18/ D50 4.10 front/ 8' bed.
Restored 2019-2022.
Nicknamed «Big Brother 1984», due to its soooo-looong shape & nod to George Orwell's 1984 famous novel.
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Gary Lewis
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Wow!  That was some storm!  I hope you see Spring soon and can do mechanical work again.
Gary, AKA "Gary fellow": Profile

Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker & 10.25 Sterling/Trutrac, Blue Top & Borgeson, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

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ArdWrknTrk
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Is that a Fiero???  
 Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.
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nic55kel
Yes Jim that is a 1986 GT Fiero.
It has been a long time project that I don't seem to move on very much.
I have a couple of sc3800s that I think would work very well in the car.
Trouble is there is nothing wrong with the 2.8 that is in it and with a 4 speed it is a fun little car.
Also as I get older climbing in and out of it becomes less and less fun.
I am seriously considering seeing if anyone wants to buy it once the weather breaks.
Last year at this time I had been outside working on vehicles for almost a month.

Bob near Winnipeg

1986 F250 Lariat extended cab 300 T18 2WD
1979 Honda CX500
1992 Oldsmobile 98 touring sedan
2007 F250 6.0 4wd
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ArdWrknTrk
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Given the weather it seems you can't make much progress with outside projects, Bob.

Fiero's held so much promise!
Too bad GM killed them to keep from cannibalizing their other sports cars.
As I remember a lot of people viewed them as kit cars (and given their parts bin roots they kinda were)
But just as Pontiac's engineers were getting the bugs worked out and giving the Fiero some real teeth.... poof!  gone.  

Selling it on to someone who would enjoy it for what it is makes a lot of sense.
Looks incredibly clean for a 36 year old Canadian vehicle. Having a plastic body and being useless in snow has to help.
 Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.
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nic55kel
Yes I love the concept of the car and it is actually a really rigid platform.
The suspension until the 1988 model is primitive but still a lot of fun to drive.
Just be aware of the trailing throttle oversteer when cornering near the limit.
As you say GM discontinued them just when they were becoming a real threat.
If GM had put the twin dohc 3.4 V6 in it that they were developing at that time there would have been almost nothing to touch it performance wise.

I have seen bad rear frame rail corrosion on cars driven all year round here.
I don't think mine has seen much of winter. The only real rust is where the battery box used to be!
It is a real marmite car just need to find someone who loves them or someone who hasn't owned one yet and thinks they will love it. I have owned 4 over the years, so that proves my opinion of them.
Bob near Winnipeg

1986 F250 Lariat extended cab 300 T18 2WD
1979 Honda CX500
1992 Oldsmobile 98 touring sedan
2007 F250 6.0 4wd
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Gary Lewis
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I wasn't around them much, but heard good things about them.  Save for the fires, that is.  That was a wiring harness issue?  

I was into sports cars in the late 80's, having just moved back from the UK where there were several of them, and liked the look of the Fiero.  But then the Miata came out and I wound up with an early '90 one of those.
Gary, AKA "Gary fellow": Profile

Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker & 10.25 Sterling/Trutrac, Blue Top & Borgeson, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

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ArdWrknTrk
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I can't say for sure but know Fiero's had problems with their central mounted gas tanks.  ðŸ¤”

Miata's were always revered for their feedback and balanced handling.
Plus they weren't powerful enough (in stock form) that they were trying to kill you.
It's always more fun to drive a 'slow' car fast than to drive a fast car slow.
 Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.
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Gary Lewis
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This article says "The General Motors Corporation will recall 244,000 four-cylinder Pontiac Fieros - every one ever made - because of a nagging engine-fire problem that contributed to the company's decision to stop making the two-seater."

Then later down it says "In 1987, the company recalled 125,000 four-cylinder versions produced in the 1984 model year after engine fires occurred in one of every 400 cars. The company said engine connecting rods, which link the pistons to the crankshaft, could blast through the side of the engine, causing an oil leak that could lead to a fire. General Motors made some alterations in that recall, including one that raised oil capacity to four quarts from three."

That must be what I remembered.
Gary, AKA "Gary fellow": Profile

Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker & 10.25 Sterling/Trutrac, Blue Top & Borgeson, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

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nic55kel
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I never had anything to do with Miatas but being Toyota I am sure they were great.
The fires were mostly on the first year models that only had the 2.5 4 cylinder engine.
Either the oil pan or dipstick were wrong so they were always run with only a minimal amount of oil.
This coupled with frequently poor maintenance and engines that did not seal particularly well often
resulted in very low oil levels. The engine would throw a rod and dump whatever oil was in there
onto the exhaust manifold, not to mention people thought they were sports cars and tried to drive them
accordingly. The 2.5 was an economy low revving engine with pistons that would fly off the handle when
pushed too hard.
Just like Corvairs or Pintos hard to shake a bad rep.
Bob near Winnipeg

1986 F250 Lariat extended cab 300 T18 2WD
1979 Honda CX500
1992 Oldsmobile 98 touring sedan
2007 F250 6.0 4wd
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nic55kel
I guess we both posted on that.
Bob near Winnipeg

1986 F250 Lariat extended cab 300 T18 2WD
1979 Honda CX500
1992 Oldsmobile 98 touring sedan
2007 F250 6.0 4wd
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mat in tn
TOYOTA?????
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ArdWrknTrk
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 Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.
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nic55kel
That's embarrassing. .
The Fiero rival was of course the Toyota MR2 and that is what they are usually compared to.
That's my story and I am sticking to it.
Bob near Winnipeg

1986 F250 Lariat extended cab 300 T18 2WD
1979 Honda CX500
1992 Oldsmobile 98 touring sedan
2007 F250 6.0 4wd
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Gary Lewis
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Mazda!  MX5 = Miata in the US early years.

And yes, it was somewhat underpowered.  But it was a blast to drive fast as you could explore the limits and it didn't go wonky.

I drove the same back roads to/from work daily from Hockessin to Wilmington, DE and knew exactly how fast I could take each corner - and some were quite sharp.  A couple times I played with a BMW M5 and could stay with him in the corners, but he was GONE on a straight.  A few times I played with a DeLorean - no contest as he couldn't corner and wasn't any faster than me.

Later, after we moved, our son moved to Hockessin and took the same roads most of the way to his work.  One day he was on the way to work and had called us.  He told me where he was and said "Dad, I'm behind a slow Toyota.  What do I do?"  "Whichever way he goes at this corner you go the other way.  And you can beat him to where they come back together."  My wife looked at me like I was crazy, but he went the opposite way the Toy went and came out ahead of him at the next intersection.  
Gary, AKA "Gary fellow": Profile

Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker & 10.25 Sterling/Trutrac, Blue Top & Borgeson, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

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nic55kel
Yes I have only ever heard good things about the Miatas.
It is the sports car the British wish they could have built.

In the mid 70's I worked as a courier in the UK driving a mini
between the two London airports. Loved thrashing that little car
around the roundabouts and down the winding English roads.

At that time in the UK people thought they enjoyed frequently tinkering
with their vehicles, then the Japanese showed them they could just
enjoy driving them.
Bob near Winnipeg

1986 F250 Lariat extended cab 300 T18 2WD
1979 Honda CX500
1992 Oldsmobile 98 touring sedan
2007 F250 6.0 4wd
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