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Gary Lewis

Re: 1985-1997 Radiator for a 4.9L

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It is a temp solution, no pun intended, so if you can get by...

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Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker & 10.25 Sterling/Trutrac, Blue Top & Borgeson, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

BigBrother-84

Re: 1985-1997 Radiator for a 4.9L

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Gary Lewis wrote

But at least this is a temp situation. (No pun intended.)

Of course…

Jeff / 1984 F350 Crew Cab 4x4/5.8L w351 4V/ T18/ D50 4.10 front/ 8' bed.
Restored 2019-2022.
Nicknamed «Big Brother 1984», due to its soooo-looong shape & nod to George Orwell's 1984 famous novel.

thelastkeg

Re: 1985-1997 Radiator for a 4.9L

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Where are you located? I'm parting out a 1995 F-150 XLT that has a 4.9. It's a manual trans truck, but the radiator has provisions for the automatic trans cooler, and it's an A/C truck. The radiator looks to be in very good shape and had good coolant in it. I'm in central MS.

Alan
2000 Ford F350 7.3
1998 Ford F150 4.2
1995 Ford F150 302
1985 Ford F250 351/C6
1986 Ford F150 300/NP435/NP208F
1952 Chevy 4100

ratdude747

Re: 1985-1997 Radiator for a 4.9L

This post was updated on .

Madison, IN. Per the member map, 10 hours drive.

I'll note that... as they're now pushing me back to 2/15/2024. Not worth the trouble, but I'm a sucker for a good road trip...

1984 F150: 300 L6, AOD, RWD. EEC IV / TFI, Feedback Carter YFA Carb. Stock everything but radio (for now).

ArdWrknTrk

Re: 1985-1997 Radiator for a 4.9L

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So Gary's Champion failed, and yours too?
Both of you are being put off on a replacement (out of stock), but V-8 and I-6?

Sorry you have this difficulty.
Obviously their process control in China isn't up to par.
I'm sure you know what this means given your line of work.

Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.

BigBrother-84

Re: 1985-1997 Radiator for a 4.9L

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Larry, how is it going with your rad issue?
Did you finally receive the replacement one?

Jeff / 1984 F350 Crew Cab 4x4/5.8L w351 4V/ T18/ D50 4.10 front/ 8' bed.
Restored 2019-2022.
Nicknamed «Big Brother 1984», due to its soooo-looong shape & nod to George Orwell's 1984 famous novel.

ratdude747

Re: 1985-1997 Radiator for a 4.9L

Missed this.

I received it last week, but it had a couple dented coolant tubes (called JEGS to have it noted on the record). Finally had time to install it last night... so far, so good (peaks at the "A" of NORMAL on warmup before dropping to dead center of range, right as it should be).

Thread solved.

1984 F150: 300 L6, AOD, RWD. EEC IV / TFI, Feedback Carter YFA Carb. Stock everything but radio (for now).

ArdWrknTrk

Re: 1985-1997 Radiator for a 4.9L

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Glad it worked out for you Larry.

But this does speak to problems with process control at Champion if the box it came in was not trashed.

Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.

ratdude747

Re: 1985-1997 Radiator for a 4.9L

The box was trashed... split open and badly taped. Forgot to mention.

1984 F150: 300 L6, AOD, RWD. EEC IV / TFI, Feedback Carter YFA Carb. Stock everything but radio (for now).

Gary Lewis

Re: 1985-1997 Radiator for a 4.9L

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Yes, as said in the texts you needed Jegs to know as you may have problems down the road, But glad it is working now.

And my experience with Big Blue's 195 stat is identical to yours with a 192 stat - dead center of the gauge. Almost like that was what Ford had intended.

Gary, AKA "Gary fellow": Profile

ArdWrknTrk

Re: 1985-1997 Radiator for a 4.9L

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My temp gauge sits rock solid at N.

Of course my gauges are steppers (I think)

At any rate they use the same senders but have some board screwed to the back of the cluster.
I'm thinking this is some type of A/D converter for the instruments.

Maybe this is why I can't get my Metermatch to work?

Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.

Gary Lewis

Re: 1985-1997 Radiator for a 4.9L

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Your Metermatch doesn't work? Mine works great. By dialing in the middle setting I have better tracking of the gauge vs actual tank level than I remember on any of these trucks. And had I gone for two of them, one for each tank, I could have gotten the gauge even closer.

But I haven't studied how the 87 and later gauges work, just that the resistance range is backwards and different to that of a Bullnose.

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ArdWrknTrk

Re: 1985-1997 Radiator for a 4.9L

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It sets fine with the key in run.
As soon as I start the engine it goes brain dead and reads E

I have tried over a dozen times.
I am sure it has power in run & start.

If I don't start the engine after setting it, it works correctly on both tanks. (I run one empty to set E and have the other full to set F)
Switching back and forth results in expected behavior.

I'm like a damned savant when it comes to wiring.
I don't think I'm "doing it wrong". 🤷‍♂️

Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.

Gary Lewis

Re: 1985-1997 Radiator for a 4.9L

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That's strange. It works right in Run with the engine off but shows E in Run with the engine on.

The only thing I can think of is that the ignition switch doesn't make the same connections when coming back to Run from Start that it does when coming into Run from Off. Have you tried jumping the relay to start the engine w/o turning the key to Start?

Oh wait! Maybe I'm misunderstanding. You are setting the MeterMatch up with the key in Run, and the gauge reads correctly. But when you then turn the key to Start the gauge doesn't read correctly when the key comes back to Run. Did you hit the Save button after setting it up but before starting? When it loses power between Run & Start it probably forgets your settings.

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ArdWrknTrk

Re: 1985-1997 Radiator for a 4.9L

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Yes, to "oh wait"
Yes, I am hitting save.

IDK...

Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.

Gary Lewis

Re: 1985-1997 Radiator for a 4.9L

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Maybe the Save function or button isn't working. I'd try starting the engine by jumping the relay so power doesn't go away to the MeterMatch. If the gauge reads correctly then it suggests the Save function isn't working.

Gary, AKA "Gary fellow": Profile

ArdWrknTrk

Re: 1985-1997 Radiator for a 4.9L

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It works if I don't turn the truck on!
I can switch back and forth, I'm metermatch knows where I set it

Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.

Gary Lewis

Re: 1985-1997 Radiator for a 4.9L

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If you turn it to Run, set it, hit Save, then turn it Off and back to Run does it remember and read right?

Or are you saying that it always shows correctly in Run if the engine isn’t running? Meaning it remembers just doesn’t like the engine being on.

What happens if the engine stalls? Does it read right then?

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ArdWrknTrk

Re: 1985-1997 Radiator for a 4.9L

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Once I start the truck it goes brain dead.

It only remembers until Ithe engine is running.
I can set it, turn the key off and back to run and it's fine.
But as soon as I key the starter it is lobotomized.

My truck doesn't stall... 😉

Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.

Gary Lewis

Re: 1985-1997 Radiator for a 4.9L

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I was going to say "It will if you set the e-brake and come out on the clutch." But maybe in front wheel drive mode it won't?

Anyway, I'm trying to figure out if it is a function of the key turning to Start & back to Run, or if it is a function of the engine actually running. Or if it is something to do with a pulse coming back from the starter motor.

So starting it w/o turning the key would eliminate the ignition switch. Killing it by pulling the coil wire or some such would determine if it doesn't like the engine actually running. And bump-starting it would eliminate the starter pulse.

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