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Rembrant

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Gary Lewis wrote

I haven't seen VIN's, even partials, on the engines of the trucks I've pulled apart. But there is a partial VIN on the frame roughly under the passenger.

Here is a picture of where it is on a 302. This isn't mine...my engine is still at the shop, but mine is in the same location as in the picture below. Just behind where the intake sits on the left hand side. Maybe they only did it on some engines/vehicle/combos, but if you search for info, you'll find that others have found partial VIN's stamped here.

1994 F150 4x2 Flareside. 5.0 w/MAF, 4R70W, stock.
1984 F150 4X2 Flareside. Mild 302 w/ 5spd. Sold.
1980 F150 4X4 Flareside. 300i6 w/ 5spd. Sold in 2021.
1980 F100 4X2 Flareside. 351w/2bbl w/NP435. Sold in 1995

Ford F834

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Interesting. So that number sequence in fact corresponds to part of your VIN? My IDI’s have serial numbers stamped next to the injection pump housing but they have no relation to any part of the VIN number of the vehicle...

SHORT BED 4-DOOR DIESEL: 1986 F350 4x4 under construction-- 7.3 IDIT ZF5+GVOD

STRAIGHT SIX 4X4: 1981 F150 2wd to 4x4-- 300 I6 close ratio diesel T19, hydroboost brakes, Saginaw steering

BIG F: 1995 F-Superduty under construction— converting to 6.9L IDI diesel ZF5+DNE2

Gary Lewis

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I believe you. I just haven't seen it. I've pulled two 351W's out of two different 1982's and one 351W out of an '85. And two 351M's out of two different 1981's. The 351M's had casting #'s, but not VIN's.

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Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker & 10.25 Sterling/Trutrac, Blue Top & Borgeson, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

Rembrant

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Ford F834 wrote

Interesting. So that number sequence in fact corresponds to part of your VIN?

On my 302 it was, yes. That picture above was a 289 in a Mustang forum IIRC. I'll take some pictures when I get my engine back (hopefully next week) and compare to my VIN. I did a little reading on the topic last night, but didn't find much info. It appears that Ford was really inconsistent with these VIN stamps. Sometimes they are there, and sometimes they're not, with no real reason why.

Gary Lewis

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I'll watch for that on Big Blue's engine when it comes out. And I'll look on Huck's to see if there are any numbers there. Good to know, thanks.

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85lebaront2

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My 1966 GT350 had the original Ford VIN, 6R09Kxxxxxx stamped upside down on the right side of the block right behind the alternator. As for Darth, I haven't seen one nor did I see one on either of the other 460 blocks.

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"Getting old is inevitable, growing up is optional" Darth Vader 1986 F350 460 converted to MAF/SEFI, E4OD 12X3 1/2 rear brakes, traction loc 3:55 gear, 160 amp 3G alternator Wife's 2011 Flex Limited Daily Driver 2009 Flex Limited with factory tow package Project car 1986 Chrysler LeBaron convertible 2.2L Turbo II, modified A413

Rembrant

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Thought I'd follow-up here since I finally got my engine back. You can see on the unpainted section behind my intake there are the last 8 digits of my truck's VIN (The "E" is a little hard to see). If you found this engine in a junk heap and you knew Ford VIN's, I guess you could figure out that it was a 1984 Truck Engine from the first couple letters. I don't know if this is what is considered a "matching number", but I found it by accident while cleaning the block after I removed it from the truck. The engine had never been out before, and there was about an 1/8" of oily dirt build-up on top of it. Just thought I'd share.

Gary Lewis

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It isn't that I didn't believe, but that sure proves the point. I've just never seen it, but they obviously did stamp at least some of the blocks with part of the VIN.

I wonder if there's a rhyme or reason for which did and which didn't?

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Rembrant

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Gary Lewis wrote

I wonder if there's a rhyme or reason for which did and which didn't?

I could get in front of some Ford assembly plant people from that era I'd have all kinds of questions I'd ask...lol.

Ford F834

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So I was a little afraid this might happen... the literature is raising as many questions as it answers...

The 1982 Facts organizer indicates the fog lamp option was for Broncos (was it no longer an option on pick ups after 1981?) except maybe as a dealer add on? It also says it was not an option on XLS yet there is a part number for a XLS fog lamp instrument bezel, and I own one...

Gary, I don’t see a tab on the web page for accessories and options for the 1983 facts book, but it shows in the table of contents. I am wondering if the 1983 book says anything different.

Edit: a very minor side note, the XLS was not available with the fuel economy package. And does anyone know what the extra weather stripping was about? Was this the bit of foam glued to the top of the door or something else?

Gary Lewis

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Were the XLS fog lamps black?

As for the accessories tab, somehow I didn't get it scanned for the '83 book, but it is there for the '82 book so you might look at what it says. And I'll try to get the '83 version scanned ASAP.

And I assume the "secondary door seal" is the one on the top as I've not seen another one.

Last, you sure got a crisp up-close capture of the facts book. Apparently the new approach works pretty well.

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Ford F834

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Gary, the scans are superb! I’m guessing the 83 book will agree with the 82 book but I just want to double check.

If the XLS had fog lights, there are no different part numbers for ones with black finish. Marchal made black finish lamps (used on Mustangs), but there is nothing to suggest they were used on XLS or that the surrounds were ever offered in black.

If the facts book is correct, and XLS could not be ordered with fog lights... then the bezel would have to had to be made specifically to support fog lights as a dealer add-on??? I sure would like to see a fog light XLS in a brochure, but no suck luck.

Gary Lewis

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Well, it turns out that my book only has pages 23 - 33 of the accessories section.

I scanned them on my wimpy little scanner and they are here. But, you'll quickly see that my scans aren't of the same quality as the other ones. But, I think they'll suffice.

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Musky1011

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Could you please post a picture of the invoice you have of the XLS I bought new in June of 1982
I have seeemed to misplaced the original

Hopefully I will come across it someday

Thnx
Jim

PetesPonies

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In 1968 , all engine blocks were supposed to be stamped with a partial VIN. I say supposed, because they were not all done. That is fact :) But I think it is fair to sayt as time went by, more and more were done to the point that all were being done as they were supposed to be. This is for all engine, lopo or hipos. Hipos though, had VIN stampings on them before the 1968 mandate. That also includes the transmissions as well on them.

Pete's Ponies
Mustang RUSToration & Performance

1982 F100 Flareside
1983 Bronco

Ford F834

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Musky1011 wrote

Could you please post a picture of the invoice you have of the XLS I bought new in June of 1982
I have seeemed to misplaced the original

Hopefully I will come across it someday

Thnx
Jim

Ford F834

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So the guy on FTE that has the 1983 light blue flareside found his PM from a couple months ago and replied that he had posted his certification label for NumberDummy to decode. I found the pic, but the exterior color code isn’t matching up with anything I have. It is also hard to read. Looks like B0... or is it 8J? The truck is Canadian, did they use different codes? Anyone care to take a stab at deciphering this?

Gary Lewis

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First, the Canadian trucks did have different paint codes, as seen on Exterior Paint Codes. And with a bit of editing that looks like a "BJ", but it can't be a "B" so must be an "8". And 8J is Copper, which is a 1983 colour.

Does that help?

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Ford F834

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Thanks Gary, once again I have egg on my face as you already had a web page made with the answer to my question. 🙄

I don’t think it is 8J, since the truck is light blue and has the blue XLS stripes. However, looking at the list I am inclined to think it is actually 3J, Light Harbor Blue Metallic. I know, the left side of the character looks closed, but all the 3’s seem to be for blue spectrum colors and 3J is a 1983 color so the shoe fits...

Gary Lewis

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I missed the blue part. And, that fits because if you look at the Body Codes you'll see that it must be "CB", which is "blue cloth and vinyl".

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