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PetesPonies

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Both look like Wimbledon to me. The first looks whiter, but there is nothing else white for contrast. The second is definitely Wimbledon.

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PetesPonies

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I have sprayed gallons and gallons of Wimbledon. When everything around it had a color, especially dark colors, it look much whiter.

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Ford F834

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Thanks. That is helpful. What I still can’t figure out is what other white was available in ‘82 and or ‘83, or if there would be a way to tell which would have been used in each year. Seems like Wimbledon was no doubt one of the whites, and could have been ‘82 or ‘83.

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Ford F834

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And just for clarification, I am looking for feedback on my logic and whether my color assumptions are reasonable. I recall having discussions around gauge needle color, interior paint colors/exterior paint colors and the inherent problems with lighting conditions, camera white balance setting and even display calibration. I know we won’t be able to look at any given photograph and say definitely what factory color code it is (unless it is a pic of the certification label). I am just trying to take my best guess with the names being given for color D on the stripe kits compared to what the parts catalogue tells us was available for that year and what the color chart name and code look like. Unless/until we see certification labels it will only be a guess. I just want educated guesses... 🙂

Gary Lewis

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Jonathan - At first blush your logic holds. However, in the morning sitting with a fresh cup of Verona and a fresh mind I'll work through it again and respond.

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Gary Lewis

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In reply to this post by Ford F834

Jonathan - Even halfway through a fresh cup of java and having had a good night's sleep I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around all of this. So, I'm going to "think" aloud.

First, I have a hard time reading your table so will re-post it here so it is more easily seen:

So that means we need to determine what the actual colors were for those 10 "D" colors in the chart. I've added your guesses to this table to try to consolidate so I can, maybe, get my head around it.

Blue (brt) - 1982: probably 3P Medium Blue Irid

Blue (lt) - 1983: probably 32 Bright Blue

Caramel - 1982: probably 5G Dark Caramel Metallic

Charcoal - 1983: probably 9V Light Charcoal Metallic

Silver - 1982: probably 1G Silver Metallic

White - 1982

White - 1983

Black - 1982 & 1983: probably 1C Raven Black

Red - 1982 & 1983: probably 2K Candyapple Red

Tan - 1983: probably 9Q Light Desert Tan

Note that I didn't add the white. I'm not convinced that it was the same white for both years as Ford wouldn't have issued a new part number for the same tape stripe kit. Something changed, and since the other colors in the stripes appear to have the same fairly explicit names, I'm guessing the white changed.

What we need is a 1982 or 1983 Ford Light Truck Facts Organizer, like I have here for the 1981. That would probably help a lot on the whole XLS thing, and I'm happy to buy one if we can find one at a reasonable price as I'd like to add it to my library. But, right now I don't see one being advertised. Perhaps our eBay guru can find one?

But, in the interim I'll fire up the "microfiche tower" and see if the 1982 or 1989 versions of the master parts catalog shed any light on this.

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Ford F834

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Yes, a facts organizer for one or both years would really help. Now I am guilty of “gee I didn’t know that existed”... I guess I need to explore the 1981 literature a little more! 😉

Gary Lewis

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I have some new XLS "pictures":

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Ford F834

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That’s Great Gary! Almost don’t even have to write a web page, just read it straight from Ford

Those are very nice quality photos/scans. They seem much better than the ‘81 book pages. I was trying to read the section on paint colors and it was hard to make out when enlarged.

Gary Lewis

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I got a hand-me-down printer/scanner from Janey, and it works pretty well. In fact, I was planning on sending the book out to have scanned, but this one works well enough that I may do it myself.

And, I could re-scan some other things, like out of the '81 organizer, if you need it.

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Ford F834

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Thanks Gary, I think everything I need should be in the 82/83 books and brochures, but if I end up needing anything out of the 81 I will ask.

Gary Lewis

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Look what I got today. Notice the date at the bottom.

There may be more in another section, but I wanted to get you this ASAP.

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Ford F834

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That is great Gary! The detailed description of the stripe packages is particularly nice. It is also nice to have full detail on how the trim level was optioned. Not surprising, but nice to know what was standard regarding carpet, door trim etc., thank you for getting this to me. The more of this that I see, the less I think I should write in my own words. Some explaining and organizing will still be necessary but for the most part the facts organizer snipits are better documentation than anything I can write.

Gary Lewis

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I agree that the organizer snippets are the best way to go. They are hard to dispute. But it will probably take some words to summarize what they say.

And, by the way, I just OCR'd the '83 page that has the XLS info. In other words, it has been created to a pdf with actual words instead of a picture of words. So, we'll use that one in some fashion as Google will find it and the XLS questors will be able to those details.

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Rembrant

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I came across this truck today while trolling the internet for other things. Just thought I'd post it up.

https://knoxville.craigslist.org/cto/d/1982-ford-f100-xls-stepside/6566925647.html

1994 F150 4x2 Flareside. 5.0 w/MAF, 4R70W, stock.
1984 F150 4X2 Flareside. Mild 302 w/ 5spd. Sold.
1980 F150 4X4 Flareside. 300i6 w/ 5spd. Sold in 2021.
1980 F100 4X2 Flareside. 351w/2bbl w/NP435. Sold in 1995

Gary Lewis

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Originally an XLS it appears, but has the wrong grille, fog lamps, and wheels. Oh, and motor as the 460 didn't come in an F100 - or an F150, and that's all that could be XLS'd. And it has an add-on V8 emblem that doesn't belong.

But, it is a nice looking truck and appears to be in pretty good shape. However, I doubt it is really worth the asking price.

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Rembrant

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Came across another XLS Flareside. This one looks to be fairly intact no?

I'm certainly no expert on the model. Be a nice restoration project.

https://jacksontn.craigslist.org/cto/d/ultra-rare-84-flare-side-xls/6591967781.html

Ford F834

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The seller knows it’s rare but that’s all he knows! No such thing as a XLS full size truck in 1984, no such thing as matching numbers on a Ford. Radio bezel has been swapped for burlwood, and the mirror heads are not correct. It’s not a bad truck but it’s not quite what he thinks it is, and I’d say it’s priced too high for the shape it’s in. Might make a difference if the XLS package is specified on the build sheet and Marti report but I have not found out if that’s the case or not.

Rembrant

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Ford F834 wrote

The seller knows it’s rare but that’s all he knows! No such thing as a XLS full size truck in 1984, no such thing as matching numbers on a Ford. Radio bezel has been swapped for burlwood, and the mirror heads are not correct. It’s not a bad truck but it’s not quite what he thinks it is, and I’d say it’s priced too high for the shape it’s in. Might make a difference if the XLS package is specified on the build sheet and Marti report but I have not found out if that’s the case or not.

Maybe it's not actually an '84? I know nothing about the XLS trucks other than what I've read on here so I certainly can't spot the little differences. Figured I'd post it since they don't seem to pop up to often, and I do find them interesting. And I know the numbers matching was more of a GM or Mopar thing, but my '84 F150 has the last 8 or 9 digits of the VIN stamped in the back/top of the 302 block. I've come across other people confirming this, but most people do say no. Maybe it was only done on certain engines by certain people on certain shifts on the line?...Who knows. I found my by accident while cleaning the block, but it was there.

Gary Lewis

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I haven't seen VIN's, even partials, on the engines of the trucks I've pulled apart. But there is a partial VIN on the frame roughly under the passenger.

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