Why drive a truck with a big six cylinder?

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Why drive a truck with a big six cylinder?

1986F150Six
As I drove to work, this morning, I asked myself the question listed in the subject line, above. The answer is: it is so pleasing to feel the very flat torque characteristics, every time you go through the gears. Quiet and unobtrusive.

Walk softly and carry a big six!



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Ray Cecil
I was unsure if I would like the 300. Being historically a Chevy guy who has always had 8 cylinders and at least 327 cubes, I was not expecting anything special.

I have absolutely enjoyed the 300 Six. Its not fast, but it is oddly enjoyable. The flat torque curve makes it accelerate like a diesel. It just feels like a tractor/diesel truck. With a turbo, it might even sound like a baby cummins.

It is simple and easy to work on. Mine has 1/4 million miles on it, and it runs great. Doesn't burn oil. Perfect compression.

The sound is unique, and enjoyable. Yes, its no 302 or bigger v8, but it is interesting and fun to hear. I guess it reminds me of childhood, when all my dads friends drove 300 Six Fords. So there is some connection there.

I have priced out the cost of swapping in a spare 4.8 Liter Chevy LS engine I have sitting here. While that would be a fun project, and net a good result, the truck would change personality. Not to mention, it might cause me to lose a few Ford friends....maybe. I think most folks here aren't going to chastise a chevy swap. However, I'm not ready for that yet. I have really loved the way the 300 is.

Someone mentioned religion in another post, and how we shouldn't really talk about it here. I agree. However, I think engine choice and how it effects someone's confidence in their truck, can be closely related to religious choice. I think, whatever we choose to power our trucks with, should be our choice, and if we don't want different opinions, or are not open to criticism, we shouldn't mention it or start a topic to begin with.

With that being said, Dave, I don't think anyone on this forum will criticize your choice of a 300.

Take Care

Ray Cecil
1982 Flareside 300 Six, Hedman Headers, 4x4, SROD 4 Speed, 1 Wire HEI "Little Blue 82"....
1969 Impala Custom Coupe, 86,000 miles, 327, Powerglide.
1999 Silverado, 346,000 miles, 5.3 Automatic Z71 4WD
2008 Tahoe (wife's)

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Gary Lewis
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LOL!  I could say the same about a 460.  Big Blue's 460 pulls like a tractor from idle right on up.

Don't get me wrong, I think the 300 is an excellent truck engine.  And I'm not a huge 460 believer.  Yes, the 460 has tractor-like torque, but there's a major difference in at least one aspect - MPG.  Yours gets almost exactly twice the MPG as BB.

Plus, you can get to your engine under the hood to work on it.  Good luck on a 460.

Anyway, I think I need to own something with that 300 in it one of these days.  A '50 Chevy?  
Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker in front & 10.25 Spicer/Trutrac in back, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI
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1986F150Six
Gary Lewis wrote
Anyway, I think I need to own something with that 300 in it one of these days.  A '50 Chevy?  
You are half the way there, Gary!
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Gary Lewis
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Yep.  And, it would counter someone else installing a French engine in a Ford.  
Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker in front & 10.25 Spicer/Trutrac in back, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI
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Ray Cecil
Gary Lewis wrote
Yep.  And, it would counter someone else installing a French engine in a Ford.  
Its all steel, aluminum, rubber and plastic to me. I couldn't care less who made it. As long as its a good piece of engineering and gives me joy.

Its kinda like women. Who cares where it was made, or what brand it is, as long as its a nice piece, its a nice piece......
Ray Cecil
1982 Flareside 300 Six, Hedman Headers, 4x4, SROD 4 Speed, 1 Wire HEI "Little Blue 82"....
1969 Impala Custom Coupe, 86,000 miles, 327, Powerglide.
1999 Silverado, 346,000 miles, 5.3 Automatic Z71 4WD
2008 Tahoe (wife's)

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ArdWrknTrk
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There is the Church of Speed... who's dictum is 'there's no replacement for displacement'.
(that can be natural or augmented aspiration)

And then there are other beliefs:

Chapman's 'add lightness'
Yunick's 'if you ain't cheating you ain't racing'
Shelby's.... well you get the idea.

The 300 is a tractor engine.
Incredibly reliable and easy to work on.
It has a pace of its own, just like the tortoise and the hare.
It will get almost anything almost anywhere... as long as you're not in a hurry.

I can't think of a more enjoyable way to take a Sunday ride.
 Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with an Edelbrock 1826 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.
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1986F150Six
Hmmmm… that's deep, Jim.
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Ray Cecil
I think that is why I like the 300 so much. It makes you slow down and just enjoy the drive. You literally CAN'T get in a hurry, so you don't get in a hurry. Suddenly those tailgaters that you would have been angry about become admirers of your trucks, otherwise why would they be so close? The 300 is good medicine, that is for sure. Also, the way these trucks handle, leaves sporty competitive driving in the rear view as well. Maybe I have never owned or driven a properly aligned TTB, but in my opinion, they are not confidence inspiring. The two I have owned both tended to wander all over the road. The light weight nature of the trucks doesn't make it feel "planted". Maybe I just need to tighten things up to change my mind.
Ray Cecil
1982 Flareside 300 Six, Hedman Headers, 4x4, SROD 4 Speed, 1 Wire HEI "Little Blue 82"....
1969 Impala Custom Coupe, 86,000 miles, 327, Powerglide.
1999 Silverado, 346,000 miles, 5.3 Automatic Z71 4WD
2008 Tahoe (wife's)

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1986F150Six
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Gary Lewis wrote
Don't get me wrong, I think the 300 is an excellent truck engine.  And I'm not a huge 460 believer.  Yes, the 460 has tractor-like torque, but there's a major difference in at least one aspect - MPG.  Yours gets almost exactly twice the MPG as BB.

 

Here is an idea, Gary. In the past, you and I drove the "loop" for gas mileage. You commented, at that time, that my truck was at a disadvantage due to me following and having to catch up with the lead truck. This year, let's you and I take my truck and fill up at Mr. Bass's and you drive the whole way [I'll enjoy the scenery]. Back to the "fillin" station and see what the mileage is?

It will only take a little over an hour and I can arrive early.
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grumpin
I like torque!

I think me and the big six would get along just fine!
Dane
1986 F250HD SC XLT Lariat 4x4 460 C6
1992 Bronco XLT 4x4 351W E4OD
1997 Mazda 626 LX 2.0L G25M-R
1998 Suburban LT K2500 454 4L80E
Oregon
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Gary Lewis
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That's a good idea, David.  But maybe you should drive Blue.  Just swap trucks for the same drive and see what happens.
Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker in front & 10.25 Spicer/Trutrac in back, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI
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Steve83
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ArdWrknTrk wrote
It will get almost anything almost anywhere... as long as you're not in a hurry.
Even with a million original miles & only 3 gears, mine will still push my 3-ton Bronco into triple digits, and keep it there (except on uphills).  I've been driving the '95F for the past few days, and with the new engine mounts, it's VERY peppy & smooth through all 5 gears.  I was passing traffic doing 90 today, and had to slow down a few times.  I'm not ready to take it up to 100 yet, though - gotta change some suspension bushings...
Walk softly and carry a BIG SIX!!!
https://www.supermotors.net/registry/2742#album
Memphis, TN, USA, Earth, Milky Way
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ArdWrknTrk
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Maybe David should lead with his 300 and you should follow?
 Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with an Edelbrock 1826 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.
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Gary Lewis
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Steve - With the right gearing the 300 can do about any job.  Looks like you have the right gearing for driving fast.  

Jim - I think part of the issue is that I know the road well.  I know how much to throttle up to maintain speed, where to let off to coast, how fast to take the curves, etc.  And I believe that can be a big factor in achieving good MPG.

So David's at a disadvantage no matter which vehicle he drives.  But, if he were in the lead and if I was trying to mimic him, as you suggest, then my advantage would be nullified.  However, I don't know that I could be relied upon to mimic him.  I think I'd revert to driving the road the way I always drive it.  
Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker in front & 10.25 Spicer/Trutrac in back, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI
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Steve83
The Bronco's gears are 3.08 w/NP435 (no OD); the F150's 2.73 w/Mazdog (OD), so I can't actually get it to 3500RPM in 5th.  If there was a downhill nearby a couple miles long, and there was a helluva tailwind, it might get up there if I let it, but it'd probably be doing 150mph and the tires would explode.
Walk softly and carry a BIG SIX!!!
https://www.supermotors.net/registry/2742#album
Memphis, TN, USA, Earth, Milky Way
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grumpin
Steve83 wrote
The Bronco's gears are 3.08 w/NP435 (no OD); the F150's 2.73 w/Mazdog (OD), so I can't actually get it to 3500RPM in 5th.  If there was a downhill nearby a couple miles long, and there was a helluva tailwind, it might get up there if I let it, but it'd probably be doing 150mph and the tires would explode.
I would like to watch!
Dane
1986 F250HD SC XLT Lariat 4x4 460 C6
1992 Bronco XLT 4x4 351W E4OD
1997 Mazda 626 LX 2.0L G25M-R
1998 Suburban LT K2500 454 4L80E
Oregon
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Gary Lewis
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I thought you were running pretty tall gears to cruise that fast with a 300.  I'm not saying anything bad about that engine, but it isn't fond of high R's.  So to cruise at that speed w/o effort means tall gears.
Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker in front & 10.25 Spicer/Trutrac in back, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI
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ArdWrknTrk
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Gary Lewis wrote
 I'm not saying anything bad about that engine, but it isn't fond of high R's.
Um.... okay.
I'll just drop this here:   https://youtu.be/ogo10TcVK8g
 Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with an Edelbrock 1826 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.
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Gary Lewis
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I guess I should have said "in its stock configuration".

With 7 main bearings the 300 has a significant enough foundation to support a lot of power - and RPM. However, with the log intake and exhaust manifolds, not to mention that they are on the same side of the engine, it is difficult to get them to rev very high.

Enter the Frenchtown Flyer with his cross-flow head and tubular intakes and exhausts. THEN the 300 can rev.

Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker in front & 10.25 Spicer/Trutrac in back, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI
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