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ArdWrknTrk

Re: Why drive a truck with a big six cylinder?

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He says in the comments that the head is not really optimized.
That it was a Ford test piece for fuel efficiency.

And, that he upshifts at 6.9-7k!

Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.

Gary Lewis

Re: Why drive a truck with a big six cylinder?

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Yep, and that head is one of a kind. Just think of what the 300 could have been.

Gary, AKA "Gary fellow": Profile

Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker & 10.25 Sterling/Trutrac, Blue Top & Borgeson, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

ArdWrknTrk

Re: Why drive a truck with a big six cylinder?

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The really nice thing about a I-6 is the almost perfect primary and secondary balance.
They are so smooooth.

I had a girlfriend shortly after HS that had a Hartge tuned 3 series Bimmer.
Cindy's car seemed like a rocket ship.

Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.

Gary Lewis

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Our son really likes Beemers, and had a 3 Series for a while. And even though it was stock I was impressed with what that I6 could do, and do it so quietly and smoothly. I can imagine what the tuned ones, or even the M3, would be like.

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ArdWrknTrk

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This post was updated on .

Hartge is to BMW like Ruf is to Porsche or Brabus to Mercedes-Benz.

That car was Henna red, had a polished stainless header, cam, intake, BBS/Bilstein/Pirelli's all around, splitter & spoiler, and of course the signature oval exhaust tip.

Too much car for me to push its limits.
WAY too much for a 20 yo girl with no survival instinct.

The only I-6 I ever had was a Dodge powerwagon dump truck.

Anyway.... sixes are cool!

Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.

Ray Cecil

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I took a ride 2 weeks ago in my boss's 2018 Dodge Ram with a 6.7 Liter straight six cummins. We got in and he fired it up.....I said "this is a deisel!?" It was sooooo quiet!! I just couldnt believe it. So I rolled down the window and sure enough, you could hear it

I asked him to "get on it". Man....that huge crew cab dodge went like a rocket ship!

I looked up the specs. I think it was something like 360 hp and 800+ lb ft!!!

1988 F250 Supercab Longbed 7.3 IDI, C6, 1356, GEARVENDORS, 4.10 Sterling with autolocker

1986 F150 302, C6, 9" 2.75, Wood Flatbed

ArdWrknTrk

Re: Why drive a truck with a big six cylinder?

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Ray Cecil wrote

I took a ride 2 weeks ago in my boss's 2018 Dodge Ram with a 6.7 Liter straight six cummins.
I looked up the specs. I think it was something like 360 hp and 800+ lb ft!!!

... and it's a chip away from another 20-25% horsepower.

Think about that.
80-90 horses in a few minutes without ever turning a wrench (or even opening the hood)

Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.

Ray Cecil

Re: Why drive a truck with a big six cylinder?

Jim, modern tech is cool. Its just so expensive. I cannot imagine spending $45,000-$80,000 on a truck. I guess I am in the wrong business if there are plenty of folks who think thats ok to spend that much on a vehicle.

1988 F250 Supercab Longbed 7.3 IDI, C6, 1356, GEARVENDORS, 4.10 Sterling with autolocker

1986 F150 302, C6, 9" 2.75, Wood Flatbed

ArdWrknTrk

Re: Why drive a truck with a big six cylinder?

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I read that Chevy is coming out next year with a pickup that will break $100k with options.

I'm glad my 250 was $22,500.

Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.

85lebaront2

Re: Why drive a truck with a big six cylinder?

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On in-line sixes, a few items. First in the early days of NASCAR, one of the dominant cars was the Hudson Hornet, it had a massive in-line six, 308 ci, granted a flathead with the same side intake and exhaust. It had the optional Twin-H setup, and the smart trick was a Denver head (higher compression to make up for the high altitude), gobs of torque and on the mainly short, frequently dirt tracks the combination of that engine and the "step down" design of the Hudson made it a power to be reckoned with, classic duel was Lee Petty in an Olds against Herb Thomas in a Hudson.

The Brits love sixes, Austin-Heally 3000, Jaguar XK engine, Aston-Martin DBs, even Rolls-Royce and Bentley ran in-line sixes for years. The Austin-Heally 3000 was originally a lorry (truck) engine, just like the Triumph TR 2,3 and 4 were originally tractor engines (Ferguson). The Jag and Astons are DOHC engines, but the jag has a very long stroke. There was a team from Northern Ohio that built a jag 4.2L that reved into the 7 - 8 K range with help from Jack Clifford, horsepower was unreal and the damn thing howled! It was built to beat the Datsun Z cars when they were dominant in SCCA racing. An interesting note, bore spacing and head bolts are close enough to the Ford small sixes that the Jag head can be adapted.

Look at what the Australians did with the Barra engine, it is derived from the lowly 144, 170, 200 family.

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"Getting old is inevitable, growing up is optional" Darth Vader 1986 F350 460 converted to MAF/SEFI, E4OD 12X3 1/2 rear brakes, traction loc 3:55 gear, 160 amp 3G alternator Wife's 2011 Flex Limited Daily Driver 2009 Flex Limited with factory tow package Project car 1986 Chrysler LeBaron convertible 2.2L Turbo II, modified A413

Steve83

Re: Why drive a truck with a big six cylinder?

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ArdWrknTrk wrote

I read that Chevy is coming out next year with a pickup that will break $100k with options.

One of my friends has a '17 Ford that was nearly $110K off the lot; I assumed GM & Ram had them that high, too.

ArdWrknTrk

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I'm sure they already exist.
I was just trying to provide Ray a little perspective.

https://www.motor1.com/news/355811/chevy-100000-luxury-pickup-truck/

Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.

Ray Cecil

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Im sorry, but if you are spending six figures on a truck, you need your head checked.

1988 F250 Supercab Longbed 7.3 IDI, C6, 1356, GEARVENDORS, 4.10 Sterling with autolocker

1986 F150 302, C6, 9" 2.75, Wood Flatbed

ArdWrknTrk

Re: Why drive a truck with a big six cylinder?

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Why apologize?

I think you ought to have a little convo with the proprietor of this forum though....

Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.

Ray Cecil

Re: Why drive a truck with a big six cylinder?

Ok. I am not sorry.

Why, did Gary spend six figures on a truck?

1988 F250 Supercab Longbed 7.3 IDI, C6, 1356, GEARVENDORS, 4.10 Sterling with autolocker

1986 F150 302, C6, 9" 2.75, Wood Flatbed

Gary Lewis

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In reply to this post by ArdWrknTrk

The 2019 Raptor can exceed $75K.

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Gary Lewis

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No, I didn't spend six figures. But I spent a boat load. And I'm not sorry that I did. I doubt I'll ever buy another new truck, and I loaded this one up with essentially everything available. And, I use many of the options on it.

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ArdWrknTrk

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I didn't mean Blue

Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.

Gary Lewis

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This post was updated on .

Well, I don't think Dad's truck is approaching six figures, but I'm not about to tally it to find out.

Gary, AKA "Gary fellow": Profile

ArdWrknTrk

Re: Why drive a truck with a big six cylinder?

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I wouldn't include your time or 'incidental' items like the rotisserie...

I'd bet you're approaching that just between the engine and paint & body. (twice)
Wheels, tires, springs, shocks, driveshafts (twice), tranny, upolstery (twice), harness, cooling, etc.
Heck, the powder alone......

You're there.

Remember, the first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem.

Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.

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