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Rusty_S85

Re: Ford Electrical Connectors....ARGHHH!!!

ArdWrknTrk wrote

The distributor connector is the one thing hard to find for a DSII harness.
Obviously, Painless has a source and rebuild companies can get the Dizzy side.
Motorcraft does have a compatible connector, if you are willing to remove the 'keys' that interfere.

Seems like most OE Ford connectors for this vintage are hard to find but companies can get them just fine its the consumers that just cant really get them.

Its like Custom Auto Wire, their systems use OE connectors as well for our trucks from the photos I seen of the update wiring kit.

"Old Blue" - '56 Fairlane Town Sedan - 292-4V, Ford-O-Matic transmission, 3.22:1
'63 Belair 2dr sdn - 283-4V, Powerglide transmission, 4.56:1
'78 Cougar XR7 - 351-2V, FMX transmission, 2.75:1 9inch
"Bruno" - '82 F150 Flareside - 302-2V, C6 transmission, 2.75:1 9inch, 31x10.50-15 BFG KO2

85lebaront2

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Rusty, if you move up a few years, Ford changed their connector design to some very nice multi-pin style, in .060" and .110" diameter male/female pins. They are available in weather proof and non-weatherproof styles. The larger ones seem to stop at 4 pins for the common weatherproof ones, the smaller ones go as high as 16 pins, but are frequently 8 pin round connectors.

The actual pins and female sockets are available aftermarket from Dorman among others. These used inside the vehicle have an O-ring in the female shell (has the male pins in it) and outside will also have a rubber gasket the wires pass through on both ends to make the whole thing weatherproof. I have updated all of the wiring on Darth to the newer connectors and have a load of salvaged parts from scrap harnesses.

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Rusty_S85

Re: Ford Electrical Connectors....ARGHHH!!!

85lebaront2 wrote

Rusty, if you move up a few years, Ford changed their connector design to some very nice multi-pin style, in .060" and .110" diameter male/female pins. They are available in weather proof and non-weatherproof styles. The larger ones seem to stop at 4 pins for the common weatherproof ones, the smaller ones go as high as 16 pins, but are frequently 8 pin round connectors.

The actual pins and female sockets are available aftermarket from Dorman among others. These used inside the vehicle have an O-ring in the female shell (has the male pins in it) and outside will also have a rubber gasket the wires pass through on both ends to make the whole thing weatherproof. I have updated all of the wiring on Darth to the newer connectors and have a load of salvaged parts from scrap harnesses.

Ill take a look at those connectors if they look very similar I wont mind using them I just dont like having a visually different connector. Such as going form a semi round OE ford connector to a perfectly square connector that is only had in bright grey with bright red/orange weather seals.

85lebaront2

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I don't have pictures of the small pin ones right now, I will have to get some, also, on these I need to get the PNs off them. These are the non-weatherproof ones and use the .110 pins

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Rusty_S85

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Ah those are the older connectors, my '78 Mercury is riddled with those connectors. Id use those just as well for my auxiliary circuits since they still look fairly period correct.

85lebaront2

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I will see if I can get pictures of the newer weatherproof ones for you today.

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85lebaront2

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Ok Rusty, as promised with the exception on one non-weatherproof set. First 8 pin round for .060" diameter pins, they are 5 colors and by changing gender in a group Ford has 10 combinations. These were used 88-91 on the engine, transmission and chassis to front end connections and used in the rear for tail lights:

Next some 4 pin versions, common on HO2S and other sensors:

You can see from the seals that Ford only used as many pins as were needed and left the other locations blank.
Now for the .110 connectors, 4 seems to be the biggest other than the 1987-91 and the outer rows on the 1992-97 bulkhead connectors that Ford used in weatherproof connectors:

Now for some more unusual ones, these are from late 90s/2000s Panther platform cars, four .110 and eight .060 pins not all of which were used. These are a PITA to disassemble, but once done if the red retainers are left unlatched the wires slide in easily:

A few more for your perusal:

Enjoy and see if these will work for you.

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Gary Lewis

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Bill - I think we need to create a page with your pics and explanations. Yes?

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85lebaront2

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I was thinking of asking you about that.

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kramttocs

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This is great stuff Bill!

Do you have some of the terminals you could add photos of just so they are all in the same thread (and Gary's doc)?

Scott
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Rusty_S85

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85lebaront2 wrote

Ok Rusty, as promised with the exception on one non-weatherproof set. First 8 pin round for .060" diameter pins, they are 5 colors and by changing gender in a group Ford has 10 combinations. These were used 88-91 on the engine, transmission and chassis to front end connections and used in the rear for tail lights:

Next some 4 pin versions, common on HO2S and other sensors:

You can see from the seals that Ford only used as many pins as were needed and left the other locations blank.
Now for the .110 connectors, 4 seems to be the biggest other than the 1987-91 and the outer rows on the 1992-97 bulkhead connectors that Ford used in weatherproof connectors:

Now for some more unusual ones, these are from late 90s/2000s Panther platform cars, four .110 and eight .060 pins not all of which were used. These are a PITA to disassemble, but once done if the red retainers are left unlatched the wires slide in easily:

A few more for your perusal:

Enjoy and see if these will work for you.

Those are probably the ones I need to look for, sure they are newer than my '82 F150 but they would blend in nicely none the less. I didnt get to do it tonight but I been needing to go through my auxiliary wiring diagrams and figuring out my wire selection, I got some wires but what I bought already was from my old iteration that doesnt account for the sniper fuel injection. Need to also make note of these connectors and work on a list of what I would need to do the auxiliary wiring properly.

Gary Lewis

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kramttocs wrote

This is great stuff Bill!

Do you have some of the terminals you could add photos of just so they are all in the same thread (and Gary's doc)?

And part numbers/sources?

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85lebaront2

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I have pictures and PNs for the terminals. Ford calls these Wedgelock connectors from the way the terminals are retained in the shells. I only had salvaged .060 parts when I took the pictures but had found a good source for the .110 parts.

First the .060 female, Ford PN E7EB-14487-AA, Clips & Fasteners A18408

Next the .060 male, Ford PN E7EB-14461-BA, AUVECO 20475

Now the .110 female, Ford PN D1AB-14488-CA, Dorman 85356, AUVECO 14888

Last the .110 male, Ford PN D1AB-14461-AA, Dorman 85345, AUVECO 14887

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85lebaront2

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Ok, here are some more, first are some non-weatherproof .060 Wedgelock connectors typically used inside the vehicle where multiple wires run and also to plug into modules such as a remote keyless entry, audio amplifier etc. These are 10, 14 and a 16 pin, the 10 and 14 are sets, the 16 is probably a plug into a module.

This is a pair from a 2000 Lincoln Continental power seat switch harness.

These are from a 1995 Lincoln Continental and are weatherproof and were located at the rear of the right front fender. These handled everything going from the inside of the car to underhood including lights, horn, air suspension etc. They can house 12 .110 and 28 .060 pairs giving the possibility of 120 pairs of wire passing through them. These had 21 .110 pairs and 66 .060 pairs.

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Rusty_S85

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85lebaront2 wrote

Ok, here are some more, first are some non-weatherproof .060 Wedgelock connectors typically used inside the vehicle where multiple wires run and also to plug into modules such as a remote keyless entry, audio amplifier etc. These are 10, 14 and a 16 pin, the 10 and 14 are sets, the 16 is probably a plug into a module.

This is a pair from a 2000 Lincoln Continental power seat switch harness.

These are from a 1995 Lincoln Continental and are weatherproof and were located at the rear of the right front fender. These handled everything going from the inside of the car to underhood including lights, horn, air suspension etc. They can house 12 .110 and 28 .060 pairs giving the possibility of 120 pairs of wire passing through them. These had 21 .110 pairs and 66 .060 pairs.

Is there a specific name for those style of connectors?

The larger connectors at the bottom with the bolt to hold them together that might be more along the lines of what I was looking for to make my connections at my auxiliary fuse box under my hood but I would have to do the math and figure up how much current I would be flowing through each wire, I think my 100w driving lights would probably be the most load intensive circuits out of the box which would be some 7A @ 14.3V based off the 3G alternator regulator set point for voltage. But the main power wire coming in how ever I havent decided if I want one power wire to power the entire auxiliary box or split my circuits up to have two to three battery hot wires through individual fuses.

85lebaront2

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Rusty, I have no idea other than "multiple junction connectors" I do have the 1995 Continental EVTM here and can at least give you the wire sizes, and possibly functions. The car has a decent size PDC underhood and a huge square fuse block inside near the pedals. The blocks snapped through the inner cowl area on the right side and the black channel snapped over them and the harness. Written on the wireway I have from the open end 150, 139 and 140 which should be the connector numbers as C150, C139 and C140. I will look at the EVTM tomorrow and maybe copy the pages so you have an idea what size wires were in them.

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85lebaront2

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Rusty, I just sent you an email through the site, so look for it and that will give me a way to send you the information I have for you.

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Gary Lewis

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Bill - Let's have the conversation here about the part numbers in the wiring diagrams.

The pic below is from the 1986 schematics you sent me, the great big ones. And let's concentrate in the upper right. For each connector there's the connector # from this schematic, like C-460 for the connector for the distributor. But the two below that are the best examples - C-461 & C-466. Both of them say "12A581", which you pointed out is the harness number.

But C-461 also has "14303". Is that a part number or ID # for the connector? Or is that the harness number that plugs into 12A581?

Or, can you point out the numbers you were talking about?

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85lebaront2

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Ok, I thought I remembered an area where the ends of a wire section were where the connector group number was show and maybe the complete connector PN. The numbers there are the harness basic number 12A581 being an engine harness, 18A885 one that plugs into 12A581, 14401 is the dash harness. C460 are the pins on the side of the distributor mounted TFI module.

Bill

On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 11:21 AM Gary Lewis [via Bullnose Enthusiasts Forum] <[hidden email]> wrote:

Bill - Let's have the conversation here about the part numbers in the wiring diagrams.

The pic below is from the 1986 schematics you sent me, the great big ones. And let's concentrate in the upper right. For each connector there's the connector # from this schematic, like C-460 for the connector for the distributor. But the two below that are the best examples - C-461 & C-466. Both of them say "12A581", which you pointed out is the harness number.

But C-461 also has "14303". Is that a part number or ID # for the connector? Or is that the harness number that plugs into 12A581?

Or, can you point out the numbers you were talking about?

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Gary Lewis

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I'll take a look again tomorrow. Maybe I missed it.

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