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Fasteners: Where To Put The Pages?

Gary Lewis
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We recently realized that the pages in Documentation/Fasteners And Illustrations/Front Clip weren't working properly, so today I worked on them.  Extensively.

They are now working, but along the way I've realized that we have a page that shows pictures of 36 different fasteners that I've cataloged for these trucks.  And you can click on any of those pics and be taken to a page on that specific fastener, most of which have dimensions as well as sources where I've been able to find them.

However, I don't think you'll be using that page unless you are trying to figure out what some mysterious fastener is.  Instead, you are more likely to be going to one of the pages below, each of which has the illustration from the Master Parts Catalog.  And, each page has blue boxes around the fastener's part number, with the blue box serving as a link to the appropriate fastener's page.

Fenders And Aprons: Includes not only the fasteners for how the fenders and aprons/inner fenders attach to each other but also how they attach to the cab and radiator support.  In addition it includes the fasteners for the battery supports and sound deadening.

Hood: Shows how the hinges and hood latch attach, as well as the release.

Radiator And Grille: Fasteners for grille, headlight doors, upper and lower trim pieces, valance, filler panel, etc.

Headlights And Turn Signals: Shows how the headlights and turn signals attach as well as the filler piece outside of the headlights.

But, I have this sneaky feeling that this whole area is misplaced.  That somehow the pages should be elsewhere.  But where?  Do you know?  What needs to change?

Help!

Gary, AKA "Gary fellow": Profile

Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker in front & 10.25 Spicer/Trutrac in back, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

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TheScatch
Having the blue box hot link is great. I have been playing with it.

I found a lot of these guys on clips and fasteners, pan handle auto fasteners and believe it or not Lowe's. Lowe's had the self cutting nuts that I had. Such a hard time finding at automotive stores.

I think it's also a great idea to have a page of just pictures for that odd ball one you just need to find.

Not to cause work but would be good on the page if some clicks a picture it brings them to those descriptions... And the description have a linked list of the sections that fastener is used like "Hood", "Fender and Apron" etc.
1986 F-150|Standard Cab|4x2|300Six|C6Transmission w/3.00 rear|Name:TBD
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salans7
I personally think more time needs to be put into completing the fasteners section, rather than cleaning up what little you have. That can always be done once the section is complete because a completed section is more useful than a clean section with missing info.

 I tried searching for the clips that the cab clearance lights screw into, but came back with nothing because I couldn't find a section for parts that screw into the top and back of the cab. I found it in the MPC, but not everybody has access to the MPC.
-Shaun
1980/86/90 Ford F350 4x4 ENG?/NP435/D60-Sterling
2003 Ford Ranger V6/M5OD/8.8
"I didn't choose the bullnose life, the bullnose life chose me."
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TheScatch
A FTE member made me aware of this company

https://discoautomotive.com/products/catalog/

They have a catalog of Ford and other hardware that may help.
Took a ton of screens but won't post them all


1986 F-150|Standard Cab|4x2|300Six|C6Transmission w/3.00 rear|Name:TBD
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Gary Lewis
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TheScatch wrote
Not to cause work but would be good on the page if some clicks a picture it brings them to those descriptions... And the description have a linked list of the sections that fastener is used like "Hood", "Fender and Apron" etc.
Did you try clicking any of those pics?    All but the ones I added today take you to the page for that fastener.  I forgot to do that for today's 6 or so, but will do that ASAP.

But I don't have the list about where the fasteners are used.  That's a good idea, but it will take a lot of work.  So, as long as I'm doing this by myself that will be for "some day".

But that Disco find is great.  I can list them as a source for various fasteners as well.

salans7 wrote
I personally think more time needs to be put into completing the fasteners section, rather than cleaning up what little you have. That can always be done once the section is complete because a completed section is more useful than a clean section with missing info.

 I tried searching for the clips that the cab clearance lights screw into, but came back with nothing because I couldn't find a section for parts that screw into the top and back of the cab. I found it in the MPC, but not everybody has access to the MPC.
Other than adding the links to the few fasteners I added today, I'm done with what you see.  In other words, the clean up is essentially done.

So which section do you think needs to be next?  This one?

Gary, AKA "Gary fellow": Profile

Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker in front & 10.25 Spicer/Trutrac in back, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

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salans7
All of the interior pages, and then the one for the cargo lights and cab clearance lights would be nice.
-Shaun
1980/86/90 Ford F350 4x4 ENG?/NP435/D60-Sterling
2003 Ford Ranger V6/M5OD/8.8
"I didn't choose the bullnose life, the bullnose life chose me."
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Gary Lewis
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We are going into the MLB playoffs and then the Series, so I'll be watching some baseball and can "compute" in the background.  Or, maybe watch baseball in the background and compute in the foreground.
Gary, AKA "Gary fellow": Profile

Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker in front & 10.25 Spicer/Trutrac in back, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

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85lebaront2
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At the risk of being sarcastic, I'm sure you will find a place to "fasten" them.
Bill
"Getting old is inevitable, growing up is optional"
Darth Vader 1986 F-350 460 converted to MAF/SEFI, E4OD 12X3 1/2 rear brakes, traction loc 3:55 gear, 160 amp 3G alternator
Wife's 2011 Flex Limited
Daily Driver 1994 Taurus LX
Project car 1986 Chrysler LeBaron convertible 2.2L Turbo II, modified A413
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salans7
85lebaront2 wrote
At the risk of being sarcastic, I'm sure you will find a place to "fasten" them.
He just needs to clip a few pieces of info and then attach them in a more appropriate spot so that nobody goes nuts trying to find the info.
-Shaun
1980/86/90 Ford F350 4x4 ENG?/NP435/D60-Sterling
2003 Ford Ranger V6/M5OD/8.8
"I didn't choose the bullnose life, the bullnose life chose me."
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Gary Lewis
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You guys are FUNNY!  

I might play with this a bit today.  Still winding down/recovering from the show and not quite ready to jump back into working on Big Blue.
Gary, AKA "Gary fellow": Profile

Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker in front & 10.25 Spicer/Trutrac in back, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

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Gary Lewis
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Man, this is WORK!

I got two more pages up, but I've only added three more fasteners.  The issue is that I go pull said fastener off Big Blue, take pics, check what the catalog says the size should be to ensure I have the right one, create new pages, add them to the fasteners collage, etc.  

So when you look at these pages you will be underwhelmed.  Big time!  But, we have a start.

Interior Trim - Bronco

Interior Trim - Regular Cab

Check them out and let me know your thoughts.  And before you ask, I'd hoped that the Broncos use many of the same fasteners that the pickups use.  But there wasn't nearly as much overlap as I'd hoped.  
Gary, AKA "Gary fellow": Profile

Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker in front & 10.25 Spicer/Trutrac in back, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

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salans7
Already helped myself with the new pages, now I know the proper screw size for my map pockets.

Thanks for all of the hard work Gary!
-Shaun
1980/86/90 Ford F350 4x4 ENG?/NP435/D60-Sterling
2003 Ford Ranger V6/M5OD/8.8
"I didn't choose the bullnose life, the bullnose life chose me."
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Gary Lewis
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That was quick, Shaun!  Glad it helped.  And welcome.
Gary, AKA "Gary fellow": Profile

Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker in front & 10.25 Spicer/Trutrac in back, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

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85lebaront2
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Nice sir, the lack of sources for a lot of these is why I have lots of jars full of screws, maybe now I can put numbers on them. A suggestion, AuVeCo carries a lot of these, and you will probably not be too surprised to find that Chrysler Ford and GM frequently use the same hardware, just different PNs.
Bill
"Getting old is inevitable, growing up is optional"
Darth Vader 1986 F-350 460 converted to MAF/SEFI, E4OD 12X3 1/2 rear brakes, traction loc 3:55 gear, 160 amp 3G alternator
Wife's 2011 Flex Limited
Daily Driver 1994 Taurus LX
Project car 1986 Chrysler LeBaron convertible 2.2L Turbo II, modified A413
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Gary Lewis
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I have little totes full of fasteners, and they are in baggies telling from whence they came.

As for a source, I have found some at AuVeCo.  But today's screws they didn't have.
Gary, AKA "Gary fellow": Profile

Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker in front & 10.25 Spicer/Trutrac in back, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

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TheScatch
This is a lot of excellent work. This will save so many people headaches or from shotgunning fastener orders etc.
1986 F-150|Standard Cab|4x2|300Six|C6Transmission w/3.00 rear|Name:TBD
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Gary Lewis
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Thanks.  If you guys find sources on any of these please let me know so I can update the pages.
Gary, AKA "Gary fellow": Profile

Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker in front & 10.25 Spicer/Trutrac in back, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

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kramttocs
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I think I mentioned this on FTE when I provided that link to Disco but most if not all of them can be ordered from O'Reillys in bags of 25+ for pretty reasonable prices. They don't have them in the stores (at least not the one here) but they only took a day or two to get.
Just make sure you ask if they have any special freight charges on them as that quickly increases the price.
I have been very impressed with the quality of the Disco fasteners. They have a large body bolt assortment box that's nice.
Scott
Daily driver: 'Camano' 1986 F250 Supercab XLT Lariat 460/C6
Work truck: 'Chanute' 1980 F350 C&C 400/T18 - Gin Pole
Various parts trucks
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Gary Lewis
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Scott - How do you get the right part number?  I've tried on Disco's site to find a couple of them, but no dice.
Gary, AKA "Gary fellow": Profile

Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker in front & 10.25 Spicer/Trutrac in back, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

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kramttocs
Since I've been replacing old and crusty with new and clean, finding the bolts/nuts/etc has really just been a matter of getting the dimensions of what I have in hand and finding a match - I can't emphasize just how handy a thread chaser set is.

I know you are referring more to crossing the Ford numbers though and that I haven't tried. There have only been a couple times I've tried to find a 'Nxxx' bolt online and aside from bed bolts I have always had to pull them from a parts truck or jy truck and fall back on the measurements approach.


So sadly the Disco catalog probably won't be a great source for purely cross-referencing. Not saying it's the best all in one catalog out there either but if we can find a fairly all encompassing catalog we could all pitch in to contribute measurements for fasteners we have in hand to match up with the catalog items.
Scott
Daily driver: 'Camano' 1986 F250 Supercab XLT Lariat 460/C6
Work truck: 'Chanute' 1980 F350 C&C 400/T18 - Gin Pole
Various parts trucks
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