Nothing Special Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 I also think since these units go between the gearbox and the transfer case you need to think about additional support and new (or modified) driveshafts as well. Gear Vendors go on the output of the transfer case (or the trans in a 2WD application). So they don't change the front driveshaft, but they do require shortening the rear. And since they only change the speed of the rear driveshaft they can only be used in 2WD. I think Dave is running an Advance Adapters(?) Ranger overdrive which (I believe) goes in front of the trans. It works in 2 and 4WD, but it requires moving the trans and transfer case back which affects shifter locations. And it requires changing both driveshafts. As an aside, personally I don't see changing driveshafts being as big a deal as many make it out to be. Maybe I'm just lucky, but every time I've had a driveshaft lengthened or shortened it's been under $150. Not couch change, but not a make or break amount either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdWrknTrk Posted July 9, 2022 Share Posted July 9, 2022 Gear Vendors go on the output of the transfer case (or the trans in a 2WD application). So they don't change the front driveshaft, but they do require shortening the rear. And since they only change the speed of the rear driveshaft they can only be used in 2WD. I think Dave is running an Advance Adapters(?) Ranger overdrive which (I believe) goes in front of the trans. It works in 2 and 4WD, but it requires moving the trans and transfer case back which affects shifter locations. And it requires changing both driveshafts. As an aside, personally I don't see changing driveshafts being as big a deal as many make it out to be. Maybe I'm just lucky, but every time I've had a driveshaft lengthened or shortened it's been under $150. Not couch change, but not a make or break amount either. The OP's comment "as long as things stay cheap, I'm happy" kinda flies in the face of an extra $300 for shaft work and (likely) four new universals (on top of whatever an overdrive unit costs) Of course I got my Zf cheaper than the new flywheel and clutch I needed to install it.... so there is THAT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzFace2 Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 Gear Vendors go on the output of the transfer case (or the trans in a 2WD application). So they don't change the front driveshaft, but they do require shortening the rear. And since they only change the speed of the rear driveshaft they can only be used in 2WD. I think Dave is running an Advance Adapters(?) Ranger overdrive which (I believe) goes in front of the trans. It works in 2 and 4WD, but it requires moving the trans and transfer case back which affects shifter locations. And it requires changing both driveshafts. As an aside, personally I don't see changing driveshafts being as big a deal as many make it out to be. Maybe I'm just lucky, but every time I've had a driveshaft lengthened or shortened it's been under $150. Not couch change, but not a make or break amount either. You are right, running the AA Ranger OD and it dose fit between the motor & trans pushing everything back 7.5 inches. My new drive shaft was think $300 but I needed a new tube, the old had a dent, and they replaced 1 joint end and 2 new joints. Dave ---- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlebeefy Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 Gear Vendors go on the output of the transfer case (or the trans in a 2WD application). So they don't change the front driveshaft, but they do require shortening the rear. And since they only change the speed of the rear driveshaft they can only be used in 2WD. I think Dave is running an Advance Adapters(?) Ranger overdrive which (I believe) goes in front of the trans. It works in 2 and 4WD, but it requires moving the trans and transfer case back which affects shifter locations. And it requires changing both driveshafts. As an aside, personally I don't see changing driveshafts being as big a deal as many make it out to be. Maybe I'm just lucky, but every time I've had a driveshaft lengthened or shortened it's been under $150. Not couch change, but not a make or break amount either. You are right, running the AA Ranger OD and it dose fit between the motor & trans pushing everything back 7.5 inches. My new drive shaft was think $300 but I needed a new tube, the old had a dent, and they replaced 1 joint end and 2 new joints. Dave ---- I came across a piece of information that I couldn't independently verify. If it's true, it would be very helpful to know. Is it true that transfer case shifter linkage between C6/T18/AOD/ZF5 is the same for a given transfer case model? So If someone switched out a T18 for a ZF5 (and kept the same transfer case) they could reuse all of their transfer case shifter linkage and hardware? It seems plausible given the boss location but has anyone actually doe a comparison? I think the ZF5 boss is metric, but the rest of it seems plausible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 I came across a piece of information that I couldn't independently verify. If it's true, it would be very helpful to know. Is it true that transfer case shifter linkage between C6/T18/AOD/ZF5 is the same for a given transfer case model? So If someone switched out a T18 for a ZF5 (and kept the same transfer case) they could reuse all of their transfer case shifter linkage and hardware? It seems plausible given the boss location but has anyone actually doe a comparison? I think the ZF5 boss is metric, but the rest of it seems plausible? Jein. Sorry, that's German slang for yes and no. The linkage will fit, but it won't work quite right. That's because the pivot point is in a slightly different position and the linkage needs to be a bit longer. Here's how I've done that: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdWrknTrk Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 I came across a piece of information that I couldn't independently verify. If it's true, it would be very helpful to know. Is it true that transfer case shifter linkage between C6/T18/AOD/ZF5 is the same for a given transfer case model? So If someone switched out a T18 for a ZF5 (and kept the same transfer case) they could reuse all of their transfer case shifter linkage and hardware? It seems plausible given the boss location but has anyone actually doe a comparison? I think the ZF5 boss is metric, but the rest of it seems plausible? I swapped my T-19 for the Zf-5 12 years ago. I know the Zf linkage didn't work, but I don't recall having to modify the T-19 linkage to fit. I did have it off a couple of years back when I lunched my transfer case up in Vermont. I'll have to get under there and take a picture. I want to take a pic of my emergency brake equalizer anyhow as Im trying to see if a CJ5 jeep unit will work for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 I swapped my T-19 for the Zf-5 12 years ago. I know the Zf linkage didn't work, but I don't recall having to modify the T-19 linkage to fit. I did have it off a couple of years back when I lunched my transfer case up in Vermont. I'll have to get under there and take a picture. I want to take a pic of my emergency brake equalizer anyhow as Im trying to see if a CJ5 jeep unit will work for me. That's true, Jim. I don't think I had to modify the linkage on Big Blue. Just on Dad's truck. I'll look in a day or two to see what I did to BB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megiddo Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 Gear Vendors go on the output of the transfer case (or the trans in a 2WD application). So they don't change the front driveshaft, but they do require shortening the rear. And since they only change the speed of the rear driveshaft they can only be used in 2WD. I think Dave is running an Advance Adapters(?) Ranger overdrive which (I believe) goes in front of the trans. It works in 2 and 4WD, but it requires moving the trans and transfer case back which affects shifter locations. And it requires changing both driveshafts. As an aside, personally I don't see changing driveshafts being as big a deal as many make it out to be. Maybe I'm just lucky, but every time I've had a driveshaft lengthened or shortened it's been under $150. Not couch change, but not a make or break amount either. I swapped in a ZF5 instead of the NP435 behind my 351. I had 3 issues to overcome and all were because the ZF5 was about 2 inches longer. 1) I had to move the crossmember back 2 inches. To do this I had to drill new holes in the frame. I also slotted the front hole on the crossmember gussets so I could use the original back bolt hole for the relocated front bolt. 2) New drive shafts. I had the rear shaft shortened and found the correct length front shaft in a junk yard 3) Transfer case linkage. I copied the method Gary showed above of welding a couple of nuts to the linkage and then using a bolt to lengthen it. That also let me adjust the linkage easily. I did also need a transmission tunnel cover from an '87 truck (doesn't have the flat "step" of the bullnose era covers) to fit over the ZF and I cut a hole in it to fit my original transfer case shifter. I am happy with the swap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 I swapped in a ZF5 instead of the NP435 behind my 351. I had 3 issues to overcome and all were because the ZF5 was about 2 inches longer. 1) I had to move the crossmember back 2 inches. To do this I had to drill new holes in the frame. I also slotted the front hole on the crossmember gussets so I could use the original back bolt hole for the relocated front bolt. 2) New drive shafts. I had the rear shaft shortened and found the correct length front shaft in a junk yard 3) Transfer case linkage. I copied the method Gary showed above of welding a couple of nuts to the linkage and then using a bolt to lengthen it. That also let me adjust the linkage easily. I did also need a transmission tunnel cover from an '87 truck (doesn't have the flat "step" of the bullnose era covers) to fit over the ZF and I cut a hole in it to fit my original transfer case shifter. I am happy with the swap. Thanks for the info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlebeefy Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 Thanks for the info. This one will work if you’re nearby: https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1458671034596560/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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