ArdWrknTrk Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 As someone who will inevitably be living through the shift towards all electric vehicles, I appreciate this conversation. I know electric motors can provide a lot of instantaneous torque and I can't help but like that. I've been doing the best I can to study electronics the past couple years because whether I like it or not, it's happening. My dad tells a story about the first time he had trouble with an early fuel-injected Plymouth he had, and how shocked and confused the neighborhood mechanic was when he came over and popped the hood and couldn't find the carbuerator. I'm trying at least to not be that guy. Luckily, I can't afford any of these vehicles so I have plenty of time to see how all this plays out. I think it's a fine looking truck. I'm glad they didn't try to make it look like the Tesla Cybertruck. Its definitely following the trend of electricity-themed names, which I'm sure will get played out soon. I also think Ford was smart to beat its competitors to the punch on an electric truck. Sam, what I'm really surprised about is that all these companies are introducing consumer vehicles, while there's already a huge market for delivery vehicles. And delivery companies have no issue investing in their own charging stations. An extended high roof Transit 350, or a box truck with a roll-up door would literally sell itself. Stop and go is ideal for re-gen. No fines for idling motors. Much lower maintenance. But Ford puts out a truck with no bed and GM offers a Hummer. Hopefully Ram is smart enough to offer something for tradesmen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzFace2 Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 As someone who will inevitably be living through the shift towards all electric vehicles, I appreciate this conversation. I know electric motors can provide a lot of instantaneous torque and I can't help but like that. I've been doing the best I can to study electronics the past couple years because whether I like it or not, it's happening. My dad tells a story about the first time he had trouble with an early fuel-injected Plymouth he had, and how shocked and confused the neighborhood mechanic was when he came over and popped the hood and couldn't find the carbuerator. I'm trying at least to not be that guy. Luckily, I can't afford any of these vehicles so I have plenty of time to see how all this plays out. I think it's a fine looking truck. I'm glad they didn't try to make it look like the Tesla Cybertruck. Its definitely following the trend of electricity-themed names, which I'm sure will get played out soon. I also think Ford was smart to beat its competitors to the punch on an electric truck. FYI did you know Harley Davidson has a electric motorcycle. https://www.harley-davidson.com/us/en/motorcycles/livewire.html A bike is a play thing so I can see the bike but a car / truck for anything but short trips I just cant see it at this time. Dave ---- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdWrknTrk Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 FYI did you know Harley Davidson has a electric motorcycle. https://www.harley-davidson.com/us/en/motorcycles/livewire.html A bike is a play thing so I can see the bike but a car / truck for anything but short trips I just cant see it at this time. Dave ---- It's been out for a couple of years now Dave. I don't know what The Motor Company is going to do. It actually seems to fit with the sort of riding most of their customers do but this sure isn't going to appeal to their "Loud Pipes Save Lives" demographic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty_S85 Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 As someone who will inevitably be living through the shift towards all electric vehicles, I appreciate this conversation. I know electric motors can provide a lot of instantaneous torque and I can't help but like that. I've been doing the best I can to study electronics the past couple years because whether I like it or not, it's happening. My dad tells a story about the first time he had trouble with an early fuel-injected Plymouth he had, and how shocked and confused the neighborhood mechanic was when he came over and popped the hood and couldn't find the carbuerator. I'm trying at least to not be that guy. Luckily, I can't afford any of these vehicles so I have plenty of time to see how all this plays out. I think it's a fine looking truck. I'm glad they didn't try to make it look like the Tesla Cybertruck. Its definitely following the trend of electricity-themed names, which I'm sure will get played out soon. I also think Ford was smart to beat its competitors to the punch on an electric truck. Till the bottom falls out and the truth comes out that its more harmful for the environment to mine the raw materials to build these electric car batteries than it is to simply build a gas powered vehicle. I think that is where many people draw the line with electric vehicles as you are not resolving the issue which is pollution, you are going from a vehicle that is a 4 on the pollution scale for another vehicle that is supposed to be the most green out there but yet to construct it alone puts it at a 8 on the pollution scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdWrknTrk Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 As someone who will inevitably be living through the shift towards all electric vehicles, I appreciate this conversation. I know electric motors can provide a lot of instantaneous torque and I can't help but like that. I've been doing the best I can to study electronics the past couple years because whether I like it or not, it's happening. My dad tells a story about the first time he had trouble with an early fuel-injected Plymouth he had, and how shocked and confused the neighborhood mechanic was when he came over and popped the hood and couldn't find the carbuerator. I'm trying at least to not be that guy. Luckily, I can't afford any of these vehicles so I have plenty of time to see how all this plays out. I think it's a fine looking truck. I'm glad they didn't try to make it look like the Tesla Cybertruck. Its definitely following the trend of electricity-themed names, which I'm sure will get played out soon. I also think Ford was smart to beat its competitors to the punch on an electric truck. Till the bottom falls out and the truth comes out that its more harmful for the environment to mine the raw materials to build these electric car batteries than it is to simply build a gas powered vehicle. I think that is where many people draw the line with electric vehicles as you are not resolving the issue which is pollution, you are going from a vehicle that is a 4 on the pollution scale for another vehicle that is supposed to be the most green out there but yet to construct it alone puts it at a 8 on the pollution scale. I'm sorry Rusty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzFace2 Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 It's been out for a couple of years now Dave. I don't know what The Motor Company is going to do. It actually seems to fit with the sort of riding most of their customers do but this sure isn't going to appeal to their "Loud Pipes Save Lives" demographic. I did not know that. I am also not in to bikes but would like to get another someday. Where I load up LP someone puts out a mag for bikers of whats going on and what has been going on here in the state. One of the write ups was on the electric HD bike. The bike looks more sporty than road, like most of their bikes are so wonder how many would trade in their road glide for one? Dave ---- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdWrknTrk Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 It's been out for a couple of years now Dave. I don't know what The Motor Company is going to do. It actually seems to fit with the sort of riding most of their customers do but this sure isn't going to appeal to their "Loud Pipes Save Lives" demographic. I did not know that. I am also not in to bikes but would like to get another someday. Where I load up LP someone puts out a mag for bikers of whats going on and what has been going on here in the state. One of the write ups was on the electric HD bike. The bike looks more sporty than road, like most of their bikes are so wonder how many would trade in their road glide for one? Dave ---- Exactly Dave. Harley is struggling for relevance and has branched out into sport bikes before with Buell and MV Agusta brands but never went anywhere with that. I don't see the Livewire appealing to chopper or bagger riders. I don't see it appealing to sport bike riders either. It does seem to fit the Sunday afternoon ride portion of their demographic, that is more interested in "lifestyle" points than actual Live to ride, ride to live types. There are other electric brands out there, but they don't seem to have the dealer network that Harley Davidson does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty_S85 Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 Exactly Dave. Harley is struggling for relevance and has branched out into sport bikes before with Buell and MV Agusta brands but never went anywhere with that. I don't see the Livewire appealing to chopper or bagger riders. I don't see it appealing to sport bike riders either. It does seem to fit the Sunday afternoon ride portion of their demographic, that is more interested in "lifestyle" points than actual Live to ride, ride to live types. There are other electric brands out there, but they don't seem to have the dealer network that Harley Davidson does. With so many bikers getting hit by people and stressing to have loud exhaust to be heard to avoid being hit. I dont think many real bikers would want to go for a silent bike like an electric bike. Sure I know they can put speakers on to give you the sound but it would never be the same as the pipes that they run that really grabs peoples attention. Its like electric bicycles, when I built my 2 stroke gas bike I found out that the electric bikes were not all that popular. They are popular for people that ride around in parks where gas powered vehicles are not allowed but out side of that most people dont spend the money for an electric bike when for $100 you can convert your bike to a 2 stroke gas powered bike vs the electric bike conversion kit for nearly $1000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swampedout Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 Exactly Dave. Harley is struggling for relevance and has branched out into sport bikes before with Buell and MV Agusta brands but never went anywhere with that. I don't see the Livewire appealing to chopper or bagger riders. I don't see it appealing to sport bike riders either. It does seem to fit the Sunday afternoon ride portion of their demographic, that is more interested in "lifestyle" points than actual Live to ride, ride to live types. There are other electric brands out there, but they don't seem to have the dealer network that Harley Davidson does. With so many bikers getting hit by people and stressing to have loud exhaust to be heard to avoid being hit. I dont think many real bikers would want to go for a silent bike like an electric bike. Sure I know they can put speakers on to give you the sound but it would never be the same as the pipes that they run that really grabs peoples attention. Its like electric bicycles, when I built my 2 stroke gas bike I found out that the electric bikes were not all that popular. They are popular for people that ride around in parks where gas powered vehicles are not allowed but out side of that most people dont spend the money for an electric bike when for $100 you can convert your bike to a 2 stroke gas powered bike vs the electric bike conversion kit for nearly $1000. The thing that gets me about the whole EV thing is: the vehicle itself has no emissions, but you plug it into a power grid that has a huge emissions output and no clear solution as far as meeting the energy needs of its customers. To me it feels like an easy way to get around the core issue. The vehicles become visible, the pollution is hidden. Solar, wind, hydrogen, biomass etc has no way of getting the job done yet. But technology is developing so rapidly, who knows in a couple years. There are a lot of Teslas around here. Theyve captured a nice market niche for people who want to appear both conscientious and wealthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdWrknTrk Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 The thing that gets me about the whole EV thing is: the vehicle itself has no emissions, but you plug it into a power grid that has a huge emissions output and no clear solution as far as meeting the energy needs of its customers. To me it feels like an easy way to get around the core issue. The vehicles become visible, the pollution is hidden. Solar, wind, hydrogen, biomass etc has no way of getting the job done yet. But technology is developing so rapidly, who knows in a couple years. There are a lot of Teslas around here. Theyve captured a nice market niche for people who want to appear both conscientious and wealthy. Its not even about displacing emissions If you take the emissions of the filthiest coal power plant and adjust for X number of kwh of electricity it is still orders of magnitude cleaner than the cleanest current ICE vehicle. There's just no way to create motive power on location and under varying conditions without a lot more waste. Vehicles don't spin one steady rpm 24/7/365, fully warmed up. Electrons don't care how you use them, or when you use them. Cognitive dissonance seems to be pretty widespread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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