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Ray Cecil

New Project! But not a bullnose

I donated a 16' car trailer load of scrap steel the an old guy down the road Saturday. We got to talkin, and I noticed a pretty decent looking 1989 Crown Vic sitting behind a barn. Long story short, I am picking it up for 500 bucks tomorrow. 5.0 FI. Pics coming tomorrow.

1988 F250 Supercab Longbed 7.3 IDI, C6, 1356, GEARVENDORS, 4.10 Sterling with autolocker

1986 F150 302, C6, 9" 2.75, Wood Flatbed

Gary Lewis

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So, a Crown Vic swap? Under what? And a 5.0L FI? Into what?

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Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker & 10.25 Sterling/Trutrac, Blue Top & Borgeson, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

Ray Cecil

Re: New Project! But not a bullnose

Well...I dunno. I couldnt pass it up for $500. Its got an AOD and a 302. Lousy 150hp, cast piston....

It is Sequential Port Fuel Injection.

So, maybe take the better e7 heads from the bronco, and do a cam swap into this low mileage crown vic bottom end and i stall factory sequential FI???

How is an AOD as a 4x4 tranny, can it be modified easily to accept a tcase? Is it not worth the effort?

Im thinking of building a good 302 for the Flareside.

Is the factory FI on this vic garbage? Is it a fine system? Can it easily be tuned?

1988 F250 Supercab Longbed 7.3 IDI, C6, 1356, GEARVENDORS, 4.10 Sterling with autolocker

1986 F150 302, C6, 9" 2.75, Wood Flatbed

Gary Lewis

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So many questions. But, the EFI system is almost for sure the EEC-IV system, which is speed density. IOW, the computer thinks it knows how much air was just ingested because it knows the RPM and throttle opening. But if you change out the intake, the exhaust, or the cam it won't know.

So, to answer the question about "garbage", the answer is no. It works just fine on a stock setup. But it won't tolerate much modification. And it isn't "easily" tuned. It takes an outboard chip to tune it, but those are available. Bill's the best one to ask about this.

The AOD can in 4x4 trucks, so they are available. And they can be built to be fairly strong. But they were not strong stock.

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grumpin

Re: New Project! But not a bullnose

I’d use that as my cruise mobile. Congrats! Good find!

Dane
1986 F250HD SC XLT Lariat 4x4 460 C6-Sold
1992 Bronco XLT 4x4 351W E4OD
1998 GMC Sierra SLE K1500 350 4L60E
Arizona

Ray Cecil

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Shoot. I popped the hood and saw what basically looks like a mustang setup and my memory must be off. I thought speed density was like 86-88...so what year did the maf systems come in?

Anyway, it should be a roller motor. So, I could take it, do a cam swap, E7 heads from bronco, cheap jegs intake, headers and a 600 edelbrock and have a decent 302 I can quickly throw onto my SROD 4 speed in the flareside.

Then I could do a 300 straight six swap into a crown vic!!! Bwahahahahah!!!!

1988 F250 Supercab Longbed 7.3 IDI, C6, 1356, GEARVENDORS, 4.10 Sterling with autolocker

1986 F150 302, C6, 9" 2.75, Wood Flatbed

Gary Lewis

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Well, it looks like I'm wrong. I'm finding that on cars the 5.0L got MAF in '88 in CA, and in '89 elsewhere.

But the key is to look to see what you have. Is there a MAF sensor just after the air cleaner?

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Ray Cecil

Re: New Project! But not a bullnose

Actually, I think the car IS an 88, SD setup. I was just over there trying to get it started. Had 1988 on the plug wires. No MAF.

1988 F250 Supercab Longbed 7.3 IDI, C6, 1356, GEARVENDORS, 4.10 Sterling with autolocker

1986 F150 302, C6, 9" 2.75, Wood Flatbed

Ray Cecil

Re: New Project! But not a bullnose

I didnt take a picture, but this is what it looks like under the hood....this is from the web...

1988 F250 Supercab Longbed 7.3 IDI, C6, 1356, GEARVENDORS, 4.10 Sterling with autolocker

1986 F150 302, C6, 9" 2.75, Wood Flatbed

ArdWrknTrk

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Beware that EGR pipe.

DAMHIK

Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.

Ray Cecil

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Ok. So that vic had some bad gas in the tank for sure. Ether was getting it to fire up, but it wouldnt idle. Would just die. Sounded like a misfire, and maybe no fuel. I have a set of basically brand new bosch platinum plugs in the bronco. So I am pulling the plugs, wires, fuel pressure regulator from bronco to have some spare parts when I go back over there. I will go get a fuel filter too.

Can yall think of anything else I should take with me? He said it ran just fine when the guy died, and him and his brother have just been letting it sit around since late 2017.

I will take a good battery with me too, just in case that one they had wasnt properly charged.

I think that is the basics. I heard the fuel pump running just fine. Can yall think of anything else to give a quick check on a SD 5.0?

1988 F250 Supercab Longbed 7.3 IDI, C6, 1356, GEARVENDORS, 4.10 Sterling with autolocker

1986 F150 302, C6, 9" 2.75, Wood Flatbed

Ray Cecil

Re: New Project! But not a bullnose

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ArdWrknTrk wrote

Beware that EGR pipe.

DAMHIK

What about it? And what does DAMHIK mean? Thanks Jim

1988 F250 Supercab Longbed 7.3 IDI, C6, 1356, GEARVENDORS, 4.10 Sterling with autolocker

1986 F150 302, C6, 9" 2.75, Wood Flatbed

Ray Cecil

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Oh...Dont Ask Me How I Know....

Well Jim...I am going to ask anyway.

Could the egr be wide open causing a no run?

1988 F250 Supercab Longbed 7.3 IDI, C6, 1356, GEARVENDORS, 4.10 Sterling with autolocker

1986 F150 302, C6, 9" 2.75, Wood Flatbed

Ray Cecil

Re: New Project! But not a bullnose

Well, I did a little reading. Looks like if the egr isnt opening at part throttle, the computer will adjust timing for the absence of the enert gas.

So...I just need to make sure its not stuck open.

1988 F250 Supercab Longbed 7.3 IDI, C6, 1356, GEARVENDORS, 4.10 Sterling with autolocker

1986 F150 302, C6, 9" 2.75, Wood Flatbed

Gary Lewis

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What did you find?

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Ray Cecil

Re: New Project! But not a bullnose

Gary Lewis wrote

What did you find?

I havent got it to run yet. Was hoping to get it runni g good enough to drive it the 2 miles to my house instead of haulin it.

I didnt get back over there today. I am working right now. I plan on gettin over there tomorrow morning with a known good set of plugs, wires, fuel pressure regulator, some sand paper to clean up the cap contacts, a fuel filter, a spare map sensor, and a new battery.

So I popped the trunk, and up in the rain gutter below the rear window I saw a little black wallet lookin thing. I grabbed it, opened it up and it was an old flip phone. The guy looked shocked. He looked at me and said, "My dad looked for that phone a long time, was stressing out about it, and died before he could find it. He was so mad, it was his favorite phone and couldnt find one to replace it."

Well, anyway. The car is in pretty good shape. The interior is nearly flawless. The old man kept the seat covered in that clear plastic stuff like you see on your great aunts favorite couch. Lol

1988 F250 Supercab Longbed 7.3 IDI, C6, 1356, GEARVENDORS, 4.10 Sterling with autolocker

1986 F150 302, C6, 9" 2.75, Wood Flatbed

Gary Lewis

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Maybe you should just drive it. They are great cars!

Gary, AKA "Gary fellow": Profile

Ray Cecil

Re: New Project! But not a bullnose

150hp....yeah.....so great!!!

I'll clean it up and see what happens.

1988 F250 Supercab Longbed 7.3 IDI, C6, 1356, GEARVENDORS, 4.10 Sterling with autolocker

1986 F150 302, C6, 9" 2.75, Wood Flatbed