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460 Smog Delete and Oil Cooler Delete for a 78 Bronco Swap

viven44
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Hi all,

I am moving a 460 from a 1986 Pickup into a 1978 Bronco. I will be creating a separate thread on this swap documenting all lessons learned, but i'm ordering supplies for this move.

First up is the smog delete and i am sure this has been discussed many times over, so forgive me. I have done this delete on a 351W so I should know but its been a long time.

1) Smog pump - easy. Non-serpentine. Just remove it and its belt
 
2) Cylinder head plugs - 43/64" expansion plugs. Napa doesn't carry the 0.66" plugs in Dallas, TX. Dorman 555-120 appears to be a good match, I will order that. (on the 351W these were threaded plugs)

3) Air injection tubes on the exhaust manifold - This is the part I don't remember on what I did in the past. I recall leaving those alone. Not too worried about cosmetics, but can I leave these tubes just the way they are, there is a one-way check valve which should be self-sealing right ? Else, is there a threaded plug that can plug these up on the 460 ? I have seen information that these are 3/8 inverted flare plugs that can seal each of these passages.

Thanks!!
Vivek

- 'Big Blue 2WD' - 1984 F350 RWD 460/C6
- 1978 Bronco with the heart of a 1986 F250 Bullnose - under restoration
- "Bonded Bronco" -1985 Bronco - 302 4-speed fuel injected, Hibernating future project
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ArdWrknTrk
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I have plugs in my exhaust manifold.
The 'spiders' interfered with my cast valve covers.

I'm sure I documented the p/n on here somewhere.

It was back around the same time I tried out that AVS 650.
 Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.
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viven44
Thanks! I'm hoping my local plumbing supply store would have a 3/8 inverted flare plug (if thats what it is) but if you have a part number, I would prefer to order them in bulk and have them ready to go. I am hoping to get rid of the "spider".... thats a cool name since there are 8 legs. It is going to be a tight fit on the 78 bronco so anything to free up some space.

Napa Part #: GAT G606910003 seems like a good fit
Vivek

- 'Big Blue 2WD' - 1984 F350 RWD 460/C6
- 1978 Bronco with the heart of a 1986 F250 Bullnose - under restoration
- "Bonded Bronco" -1985 Bronco - 302 4-speed fuel injected, Hibernating future project
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ArdWrknTrk
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The tubes are reverse flare, but each of them goes into a NPT fitting that is screwed into the manifold itself.
I have my DS manifold off and will get you pictures later today if you like.

I have participated in literally dozens of these desmog threads, both here (since the revolution) and over on FTE.
I know I bought a 10 pack of plugs, and the .666" Welsh plugs from NAPA.

if you have an oxy torch and want them both out just use a set of 1/4 NPT like this.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/264272181312?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&mkscid=101&itemid=264272181312&targetid=1645685073328&device=t&mktype=pla&googleloc=1014778&poi=&campaignid=20133407470&mkgroupid=147476396765&rlsatarget=pla-1645685073328&abcId=9312979&merchantid=138373313&gclid=Cj0KCQiAzoeuBhDqARIsAMdH14HcRlIcUKXAwOPcfMPmTS04JphaWdheInlrqqpqna99OrYzQ6LjJiYaAgaXEALw_wcB

Edit:
You might want to look at this thread too
 Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.
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ArdWrknTrk
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viven44 wrote
Hi all,

I am moving a 460 from a 1986 Pickup into a 1978 Bronco. I will be creating a separate thread on this swap documenting all lessons learned, but i'm ordering supplies for this move.

First up is the smog delete and i am sure this has been discussed many times over, so forgive me. I have done this delete on a 351W so I should know but its been a long time.

2) Cylinder head plugs - 43/64" expansion plugs. Napa doesn't carry the 0.66" plugs in Dallas, TX. Dorman 555-120 appears to be a good match, I will order that. (on the 351W these were threaded plugs)

Thanks!!
5/8-11 x 1/2" long on the Windsors, but the 385's use a little crowsfoot looking clip to hold the flared tubes in place.

You can reuse these little clips to hold just about anything in there.
Squirt in a glob of red high temp RTV and clamp something.... anything,  over it.  ðŸ’¡

One issue I think you'll have (but I don't have a 70's ford truck) is that you'll need to run a remote oil filter.

L&L make all kinds of stuff for this swap and JBG is pretty much the Go-To for this kind of thing.

Looking forward to the build!  
 Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.
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Hayden makes a good relocation kit, but I wouldn't trust my engine to the rubber hoses and clamps. I had "sure nuff" hydraulic hoses made for mine.
Bradley
86 f250 supercab longbed, 4x4, 460 bored to 472 cubes, ported heads, ARP rod bolts, EFI pistons, 5.08/5.41 lift 114° lobe separation flat tappet cam, notched lifters, Smith Brothers pushrods, stock rockers, Eddy Performer intake, Holley 1850 or 3310 depending on mood, custom curved points dizzy, MSD analog 6al triggered by Pertronix module, zf5 swap, 3g alternator, custom instrument cluster, dual tanks with 38 Gal rear for 57 Gal of fuel capacity, far too much more to mention.

98 Ranger standard cab, rwd, 5-speed, 2.5L, glass pack muffler, dual plugs wired to fire at the same time, coming up on 300,000 miles before too long.

Averaging 26-27 mpg.

South Georgia.
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ArdWrknTrk
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I posted a right angle filter adapter in Mats thread.
But I don't know how that fits exactly in a '70's Bronco.
 Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.
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viven44
On the oil filter, I am able to go straight to the block with the 78 Subframe placement. The 78 subframe is about 6-8 inches further out than the bullnose subframe so the oil filter straight on the block will clear it.
Vivek

- 'Big Blue 2WD' - 1984 F350 RWD 460/C6
- 1978 Bronco with the heart of a 1986 F250 Bullnose - under restoration
- "Bonded Bronco" -1985 Bronco - 302 4-speed fuel injected, Hibernating future project
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viven44
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Really good idea on the high temp RTV with a block-off plate maybe :)

Didn't realize the flare bolted into a NPT fitting. Good to know!
Vivek

- 'Big Blue 2WD' - 1984 F350 RWD 460/C6
- 1978 Bronco with the heart of a 1986 F250 Bullnose - under restoration
- "Bonded Bronco" -1985 Bronco - 302 4-speed fuel injected, Hibernating future project
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ArdWrknTrk
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Cool!

Easy peasy.  

I know very little about '70 Broncos other than mint ones are worth a fortune.  ðŸ’¸
 Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.
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ArdWrknTrk
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Here is the eWissions diagram from this site.  ðŸ˜‰. 😄

You can see 9d436 at the back, and the NPT to reverse flare adapters 390148s36 in the exhaust manifolds.
ETA:  9c438 is a crush seal...

HTH....
 Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.
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viven44
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Yes hoping it will be easy, the only downside is I will lose the oil cooler that the 460 was equipped with. The 460 should lead a more laid back life on the 78' Bronco so I don't think its strictly needed (hopefully!).
Vivek

- 'Big Blue 2WD' - 1984 F350 RWD 460/C6
- 1978 Bronco with the heart of a 1986 F250 Bullnose - under restoration
- "Bonded Bronco" -1985 Bronco - 302 4-speed fuel injected, Hibernating future project
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ArdWrknTrk
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The '90s oil coolers?


I'll let Bill rant about those damn things!

I think he calls them " the hand grenade"
 Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.
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viven44
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Thanks a lot for the part numbers! 390148-S36 on a google search gave me an idea of exactly what i needed :)

Edit:

Saw an eBay ad, but here is a screenshot in case the ad is pulled. I assume this is what screws into the exhaust manifold eventually.

Vivek

- 'Big Blue 2WD' - 1984 F350 RWD 460/C6
- 1978 Bronco with the heart of a 1986 F250 Bullnose - under restoration
- "Bonded Bronco" -1985 Bronco - 302 4-speed fuel injected, Hibernating future project
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It's what I do!  ðŸ¤£ðŸ¤£ðŸ¤£
 Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.
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viven44
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This is from an 86, so a small unit that bolts in front of the radiator, so I think there is no water to oil heat exchange. Pretty harmless but I don't think i'll need it (hopefully!)
Vivek

- 'Big Blue 2WD' - 1984 F350 RWD 460/C6
- 1978 Bronco with the heart of a 1986 F250 Bullnose - under restoration
- "Bonded Bronco" -1985 Bronco - 302 4-speed fuel injected, Hibernating future project
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I've never seen an 86 oil cooler (factory)

The aeronose trucks had an oddball oil to water right angle block adapter that would hemorrhage internally with (obvious) disastrous results.
 Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.
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viven44
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There’s a good view on my parts truck with the grill gone. My 84 truck with the 460 also has the same unit from factory.



The lines run to the block adapter and pretty stout and problem free.

Vivek

- 'Big Blue 2WD' - 1984 F350 RWD 460/C6
- 1978 Bronco with the heart of a 1986 F250 Bullnose - under restoration
- "Bonded Bronco" -1985 Bronco - 302 4-speed fuel injected, Hibernating future project
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Must be a southern truck thing??
Depending on the DSO???

I honestly have never seen that up here in the NE.

But I did hear Bill mention that these were not such a problem.
 Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.
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Gary Lewis
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I've seen Bill, and others, cuss and discuss the oil/water cooler, but apparently Ford wiped it from their collective memory as by 1994 the 1980 - 89 MPC showed this:




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Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker & 10.25 Sterling/Trutrac, Blue Top & Borgeson, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

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