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85blueox

starter issues

The starter on my 85 F350 diesel has decided to give up the ghost.
I have removed dozens of starters but this one is not happy.
It has 2 little wimpy 1/2" bolts for that huge starter that look like they want to strip off.
I assume more bolts are hiding behind but I cant see any.

Then is it better to buy a new or rebuild? It was made by Mitsubishi and not sure if it is even the original.

any help would be good,

Thanks.

85 6.9 4 door rusty beast

Gary Lewis

Re: starter issues

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There are only two bolts. One at the bottom and one at the top.

And the best starter is a newer permanent magnet gear-reduction unit, called PMGR for short. Ford went to them in the 90's on all the engines. You can see a discussion of them on our page at Documentation/Electrical/PMGR Starter Wiring.

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85blueox

Re: starter issues

OK,
thanks Gary.

85 6.9 4 door rusty beast

85blueox

Re: starter issues

I guess I should check the solenoid, It clicks once whe starting and the batteries are both good. How do do you check the solenoid? Usually on my newer trucks I just replace it.

85 6.9 4 door rusty beast

Gary Lewis

Re: starter issues

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Put a voltmeter's positive lead on the starter relay's (solenoid) rear stud, the one that goes down to the starter, and the ground on the battery's ground lug. Turn the key to Start and read the voltage. If it is battery voltage then the relay works and either the cable or the starter is bad.

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85blueox

Re: starter issues

Where is a good place to buy those type of starters? The article on motortrend says Rock auto but none of the starters says they are that type.

85 6.9 4 door rusty beast

Gary Lewis

Re: starter issues

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The supplier's don't say that theirs is a PMGR starter. You just need to find one for a truck that came from Ford with one. Mid-90's.

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85blueox

Re: starter issues

Mid 90s? like post 1993? Having a hard time finding one, not sure if they fit or not.

85 6.9 4 door rusty beast

ArdWrknTrk

Re: starter issues

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AFAIK the diesel engines have always used a PMGR starter because of the high compression in those engines.

I do believe the 6.9 & 7.3 take the same starter

Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.

85blueox

Re: starter issues

So if it is an original Ford starter from mid 90s it will be a PMGR, what about these aftermarket ones I see on amazon or rock auto? Any idea on those?

85 6.9 4 door rusty beast

85blueox

Re: starter issues

What is the difference between an OSGR starter and a PMGR?

85 6.9 4 door rusty beast

351FUN

Re: starter issues

Just mounting, it's in the name. The offset starters help with fitment issues sometimes. If everything is stock and you didn't already have one I wouldn't change to one.

I've been using the powermaster mastertorque starters for a while now, much smaller and more powerful than the stock ones and infinitely variable offset too. The stock starter isn't usable with the headers on my engine so I switched to this one and have been using them on other vehicles as needed.

The good news is a starter is just a motor, easy to diagnose and easy to build so aftermarket companies have far overtaken what ford did 40 years ago. Conversely, it's just a starter and it doesn't affect much so improvements don't really matter much either.

myrl883

Re: starter issues

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ArdWrknTrk wrote

AFAIK the diesel engines have always used a PMGR starter because of the high compression in those engines.

Except '83-'84 6.9 engines. They originally had a Delco Remy starter that ate flywheel ring gears left and right. Only use the Mitsubishi starters on IDI engines.

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