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BigBrother-84

Spare Tire Retaining Bolts

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Hi Gentlemen!

I am planning to put the spare wheel under the bed (need all square inches for this summer road trip).

I gathered:
• The 49" steel channel
• Two «J-nuts» for the frame fixation
• The center wheel retainer and its bolt

What's missing:
• The two channel retaining bolts (the straight one and the "loop" shaped one).

I'll probably have to custom-make these (they are 1/2" standard threaded). But I am wondering about the length of each one.

Does someone know their dimensions? Total length and threaded section length.

Or maybe suggestion where to buy some?

Thanks!

Jeff / 1984 F350 Crew Cab 4x4/5.8L w351 4V/ T18/ D50 4.10 front/ 8' bed.
Restored 2019-2022.
Nicknamed «Big Brother 1984», due to its soooo-looong shape & nod to George Orwell's 1984 famous novel.

81-F150-Explorer

Re: Spare Tire Retaining Bolts

The "J" or Eye Bolt: With Aft Axle Tank.

1980/96 F-100/F-350: E2TZ-1408-C : M14 x 2.0 x 230 : For Use up to 15x6 wheel/P215,H78, 7.00 tire. Obsolete:

Dennis Carpenter in Concord, NC. has 1 : (800) 476-9653
Mustangs ETC. In Van Nuys, CA. has 1: (818) 787-7634
(High Buck) Bob Allen Ford in Overland Park, Kansas has 1: (913) 381-2999

1980/96 F-100/F-350: E2TZ-1408-D : M14 x 2.0 x 265 : For Use up to 16.5x6 wheel Obsolete:

No one has any:

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The straight Carrier bolt. With Aft Axle Tank.

1980/96 F-150 4WD / F-250/F-350: AB-317-H or A.K.A. N801783S : M14 x 2.0 x 230 : For use without 10x15 or 16.5x6 wheel.

No One Has Any:

1980/ F-150 4WD / F-250/F-350: AB-317-JB or A.K.A. N801784S : M14 x 2.0 x 265 : For Use with 10x15 or 16.5x6.

No One Has Any.

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But I included the measurements as listed above.

Hope This helps.

Truck: 1981 F-150 Explorer / Engine: 300-6 California MCU Feedback System / Trans: T-18 - 4 speed / 2.75 Ford Rear Axle Open Diff.

BigBrother-84

Re: Spare Tire Retaining Bolts

Thanks!

Don't know if it matters, but Big Bro is not equipped with the rear tank.
More place for the spare wheel, but maybe bolts threaded section is longer? The wheel is stored higher?

Jeff / 1984 F350 Crew Cab 4x4/5.8L w351 4V/ T18/ D50 4.10 front/ 8' bed.
Restored 2019-2022.
Nicknamed «Big Brother 1984», due to its soooo-looong shape & nod to George Orwell's 1984 famous novel.

81-F150-Explorer

Re: Spare Tire Retaining Bolts

Give me a minute as they are different.

Truck: 1981 F-150 Explorer / Engine: 300-6 California MCU Feedback System / Trans: T-18 - 4 speed / 2.75 Ford Rear Axle Open Diff.

81-F150-Explorer

Re: Spare Tire Retaining Bolts

The Straight Bolt for without rear axle tank.

1980/96: F-100/F-350 except chassis cab: AB-317-E or A.K.A N801136S M14 x 2.0 x 340 : Without P195-P225 tires Obsolete:

No One Has Any

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The "J" or Eye bolt

1982/1996: F-100/F-350: E4TZ-1408-D M14 x 2.0 x 340 : Obsolete:

No One Has Any

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Sorry for the confusion.

Truck: 1981 F-150 Explorer / Engine: 300-6 California MCU Feedback System / Trans: T-18 - 4 speed / 2.75 Ford Rear Axle Open Diff.

85lebaront2

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Not surprising, I got Darth's whole setup from junkyards. It was loads of fun to get everything to fit between the dually rim, rear tank and V5 receiver hitch.

Bill AKA "LOBO" Profile

"Getting old is inevitable, growing up is optional" Darth Vader 1986 F350 460 converted to MAF/SEFI, E4OD 12X3 1/2 rear brakes, traction loc 3:55 gear, 160 amp 3G alternator Wife's 2011 Flex Limited Daily Driver 2009 Flex Limited with factory tow package Project car 1986 Chrysler LeBaron convertible 2.2L Turbo II, modified A413

ArdWrknTrk

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Holy cow!
Those things are like 13 1/2" long

https://www.fastenersplus.com/products/1-2-13-x-14-carriage-bolt-hot-dip-galvanized-pkg-1?utm_term=&utm_campaign=%23z+Shopping+-+Anchors+-+Anchor+Mates&utm_source=adwords&utm_medium=ppc&hsa_acc=3477180114&hsa_cam=20219156810&hsa_grp=158203958108&hsa_ad=660353541324&hsa_src=g&hsa_tgt=pla-2273914708512&hsa_kw=&hsa_mt=&hsa_net=adwords&hsa_ver=3&gclid=Cj0KCQjwho-lBhC_ARIsAMpgMocFwcotACkIi9iVDmwwXDjNa3F1pXMjl4Cq-uQ9B6rJ9e6MOHomo1caAlhXEALw_wcB
(You'd have to run a die up the threads and grind off the zinc to weld a nut on one and a washer + ring onto the other, but they are the only ones I found right away)

Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.

BigBrother-84

Re: Spare Tire Retaining Bolts

I went to my salvage yard and found on two trucks the "J-Eye" bolt (no straight ones on any trucks). These are 1996 F-150, one with the rear tank and the other without.

And probably found a straight one, waiting for seller's confirmation.
If it doesn't go on, I will fit a regular straight bolt.

Jeff / 1984 F350 Crew Cab 4x4/5.8L w351 4V/ T18/ D50 4.10 front/ 8' bed.
Restored 2019-2022.
Nicknamed «Big Brother 1984», due to its soooo-looong shape & nod to George Orwell's 1984 famous novel.

C.Jett

Re: Spare Tire Retaining Bolts

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The concrete anchor “J” bolt is the best choice, money wise, for this. Maybe at Lowe’s? Finish bending the “J” and use hole saw to make washer or weld some together. Good luck. CJ

Powerman5K

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I tried to replace mine as the originals were bent. This was the only option I could find from EBay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/125130915835

I wasn't willing to pay $99 for 2 bolts so I just fixed the original and made due. Maybe $99 isn't too steep for you?

1980 F100 Custom. Inline 6. Power steering. 3 on the Column.

ArdWrknTrk

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BigBrother-84 wrote

I gathered:
• The 49" steel channel
• Two «J-nuts» for the frame fixation (they are 1/2" standard threaded)

According to Ralph's post they are M14 x 2.0 mm....

1999-2016 trucks use M14x2mm bed mounting clips.
These are 45mm to center and grip up to 4mm thick

Mount Bolt Nut - Ford# (W708770-S436)
See also, Auveco # 25041

Amazon https://a.co/d/dmlhkuE

Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.

AmericanSavage

Re: Spare Tire Retaining Bolts

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I also had to go to the pick last year and cobbled together a bunch of parts for this, in the end, I had to fab up one end of it. I will take pic since the wheel retainer was not able to fit into the spot on the frame.

It's a puzzle!

1980 Ford XLT F350
400 Engine (rebuilt to 406)
Holley 2300 500 CFM manual Choke Carb
Under Restore (1st time)

BigBrother-84

Re: Spare Tire Retaining Bolts

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Powerman5K wrote

I tried to replace mine as the originals were bent. This was the only option I could find from EBay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/125130915835

I wasn't willing to pay $99 for 2 bolts so I just fixed the original and made due. Maybe $99 isn't too steep for you?

I saw these too, but at this price I will buy two bolts at hardware store and weld the myself.

Jeff / 1984 F350 Crew Cab 4x4/5.8L w351 4V/ T18/ D50 4.10 front/ 8' bed.
Restored 2019-2022.
Nicknamed «Big Brother 1984», due to its soooo-looong shape & nod to George Orwell's 1984 famous novel.

81-F150-Explorer

Re: Spare Tire Retaining Bolts

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ArdWrknTrk wrote

BigBrother-84 wrote

I gathered:
• The 49" steel channel
• Two «J-nuts» for the frame fixation (they are 1/2" standard threaded)

According to Ralph's post they are M14 x 2.0 mm....

1999-2016 trucks use M14x2mm bed mounting clips.
These are 45mm to center and grip up to 4mm thick

Mount Bolt Nut - Ford# (W708770-S436)
See also, Auveco # 25041

Amazon https://a.co/d/dmlhkuE

Yes, according to the MPC that measurement is correct.

Truck: 1981 F-150 Explorer / Engine: 300-6 California MCU Feedback System / Trans: T-18 - 4 speed / 2.75 Ford Rear Axle Open Diff.

BigBrother-84

Re: Spare Tire Retaining Bolts

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ArdWrknTrk wrote

According to Ralph's post they are M14 x 2.0 mm...

Right.
I bought the clips from LMC.
They are M14x2.0, but I confirm that regular 1/2x13 bolt fits correctly too.

Jeff / 1984 F350 Crew Cab 4x4/5.8L w351 4V/ T18/ D50 4.10 front/ 8' bed.
Restored 2019-2022.
Nicknamed «Big Brother 1984», due to its soooo-looong shape & nod to George Orwell's 1984 famous novel.

ArdWrknTrk

Re: Spare Tire Retaining Bolts

Administrator

Well, that's certainly interesting....

Jim,
Lil'Red is a '87 F250 HD, 4.10's, 1356 4x4, Zf-5, 3G, PMGR, Saginaw PS, desmogged with a Holley 80508 and Performer intake.
Too much other stuff to mention.

C.Jett

Re: Spare Tire Retaining Bolts

Very interesting, 1/2 13 will not fit my 85 f150, CJ

BigBrother-84

Re: Spare Tire Retaining Bolts

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• Bolts thread:
The clips I bought at LMC are M14x2.0 threaded, but a 1/2-13 threaded bolt fits in (although not as "tight" as the metric one).
Reverse is probably not possible...

• Installation:
I gathered all the parts, will install this morning.
So I'm preparing myself, reading all infos I have. And guys, it's in the 1984 User Manual that I found the answer of a stupid question I had:
«What's the goal of that tube at the end of the blade support? To support the blade when dropped to the ground? Or a kind of handle?».

For the dummies like me, well, this tube is a gift of our old friend Archimede: It enables a lever action when a longer stick is inserted (user manual indicates to use the wrench). So the tire feels "lighter" to drop down (or to replace up in its storage).

Ok, for the majority of this forum members, this is probably so evident that they won't imagine this could be detailed here.
But for the 2-3 guys like me who were completely ignorant, I hope it will be useful!

Jeff / 1984 F350 Crew Cab 4x4/5.8L w351 4V/ T18/ D50 4.10 front/ 8' bed.
Restored 2019-2022.
Nicknamed «Big Brother 1984», due to its soooo-looong shape & nod to George Orwell's 1984 famous novel.

Gary Lewis

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Yes, my old friend Archimedes! I saw him recently in the new Indiana Jones movie. He looked older than I remember, but then I probably do as well.

As for leverage, or maybe I should say "fulcrum" since that's the word he famously used, I'm not sure how one would get that tire up there w/o it. Maybe use the jack, but I doubt it goes high enough given that you'd have to put it under the wheel and not the end where the tube is.

But even with that added help I find it very difficult anymore. It never was easy, but it is getting increasingly more difficult.

Good luck today, Jeff!

Gary, AKA "Gary fellow": Profile

Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker & 10.25 Sterling/Trutrac, Blue Top & Borgeson, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

85lebaront2

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In reply to this post by BigBrother-84

To quote a friend "If all else fails, read the instructions."

The large plastic cone shaped retainer for the wheel, is "universal" once you figure it out. On 15 and 16" single wheel rims, the point goes down through the center hole over the long carriage bolt (1/2 - 13 if i remember) and is tightened to secure the wheel to the carrier bar. On a dually rim, the dish in the wheel goes down and the cone goes large end down as the scalloped base just fits in the center of the rim. The wrench will fit to tighten it.
Cone:

Carrier with guide bolts:

Spare on carrier:

Cone installed to hold spare in place:

Bottom view with carrier in place:

View from right rear of spare, carrier and V5 receiver:

I did find, as I had heard, that with a receiver hitch and possibly even a regular hitch, the tube has to be shortened. As for using the jack to lift the wheel and carrier, works fine on Darth, just slow.

Bill AKA "LOBO" Profile