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Gary Lewis

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Oh. And on not starting while cranking, that could be not enough static timing. Or, it could be a bad connection from the Start circuit to the coil.

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Dad's: '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches
Blue: 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a 3.5L EB & Max Tow
Big Blue: 1985 F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker & 10.25 Sterling/Trutrac, Blue Top & Borgeson, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI

Ford F834

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Thanks for the clarification Gary. I don’t think I have any kick back while starting. For what it’s worth I believe I settled on 12* static timing. You may be on to something with the starting circuit. Seems like it should crank less than it does. When it does start, it has a very low smooth idle even when choked a bit.

SHORT BED 4-DOOR DIESEL: 1986 F350 4x4 under construction-- 7.3 IDIT ZF5+GVOD

STRAIGHT SIX 4X4: 1981 F150 2wd to 4x4-- 300 I6 close ratio diesel T19, hydroboost brakes, Saginaw steering

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Gary Lewis

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12 degrees should be a good start, but you could try 14. I think we had kick back with David’s at 14, but could be wrong.

To check power to the ignition in Start, pull the wire off the solenoid and check power when you turn the key to both the coil as well as the DS-II box. Should have full battery voltage in Start to the coil.

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1986F150Six

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This post was updated on .

My engine came into the Garagemahal sporting 17 degrees static!!!

It was a "fat" 14 degrees BTDC when I left, and the vacuum advance had been tweaked, with more vacuum canister tweaking as I drove.

Ford F834

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Thanks Gary. I will try both suggestions when I get back. With greater advance I noticed increasingly rougher idle, but maybe a little stumble is okay to have.

Rembrant

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The only last thing I need to complete my set up is a Canadian non-EGR carburetor spacer. If anyone has one of these that they would part with please let me know 🙂

Jon,

I came across this For Sale ad while searching for other stuff this morning, and it appears to include one of the elusive Non-EGR spacers you've been looking for...

https://www.kijiji.ca/v-view-details.html?adId=1359162274&requestSource=b

Not sure if that is an OEM piece or not?...Maybe it's a homemade one...you will know better than I. He's asking $325 for the whole works (that's about $250 USD).

1994 F150 4x2 Flareside. 5.0 w/MAF, 4R70W, stock.
1984 F150 4X2 Flareside. Mild 302 w/ 5spd. Sold.
1980 F150 4X4 Flareside. 300i6 w/ 5spd. Sold in 2021.
1980 F100 4X2 Flareside. 351w/2bbl w/NP435. Sold in 1995

Gary Lewis

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Well spotted, but that is pricey!

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Rembrant

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Well spotted, but that is pricey!

Indeed...considering Ray just bought a whole truck for less money...lol.

I guess it is evidence that the spacer does indeed exist (that's IF it is an original Ford OEM piece?).

Now that I have a picture of what the thing looks like, I can post up a want ad for Jon and see if I can find one for $10 bucks or something like that so it can be mailed cheaply;).

Gary Lewis

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Good plan, Stan.

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85lebaront2

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It looks like the spacer my 1977 F150 300 had on it, no EGR, no air pump, no cat, just evaporative canister.

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Gary Lewis

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Got one laying around, Bill? In your treasure trove of carb parts?

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85lebaront2

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No, because that would be an adapter for the carb to intake.

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Gary Lewis

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Other than the port for vacuum, is it just a spacer? Any reason why one can't be made, maybe out of aluminum or steel?

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Rembrant

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Other than the port for vacuum, is it just a spacer? Any reason why one can't be made, maybe out of aluminum or steel?

No reason at all, but I think Jon was looking for the factory correct piece for authenticity sake (In case he were to move somewhere where the emissions folks had to poke around under the hood)

Gary Lewis

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For $250 I think I'd set my carb on a slab of something, mark the bolt holes, measure the location and size of the bore and cut/bore it out, drill and tap it for a hose barb, and put a few angles on it to approximate that piece.

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Ford F834

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Gary, the part really is quite simple. There is no reason one could not be made... and one could even improve upon the original design (phenolic material comes to mind). But as Cory said, I was looking for the completely authentic non-emissions OEM part. I do believe this is original, not home made. I have seen it in pictures of other Canadian 300’s. It has a little “tongue” that laps over the hole in the intake manifold, and is generally the cleanest, best looking thing you can get. What I have actually works fine. The EGR stuff is simply blocked off with a little aluminum plate. There is no reason to change it except cosmetics and to say I have the OEM non-emissions equipment.

David and Gary already know this... but for the rest of you, I may be a little scarce online in the coming months. I am in the process of closing on a double wide mobile home on an acre in Golden Valley AZ. The home has not been lived in for 9 years, and the structure is pretty much a total loss. I will be gutting it down to the frame and rebuilding it to live in. I will be driving my truck more than wrenching on it, and my priority will be the house. So unfortunately you may not hear a lot from me except to see my ‘81 working it’s little 9” rear end off hauling building materials.

Anyway, as it relates to this discussion on emissions equipment, Golden Valley is in Mojave county where there are currently no emissions laws or testing. I may even one day try to realize my dream of an IDI Bronco.... but first I have a house to rebuild and a crew cab to finish (which will be much easier with it next to me on my own property).

Gary Lewis

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Jonathan - Ok, I see your plan and it makes sense. I'll keep my eyes open for one of those, but doubt I'll see one this far south.

As for being scarce on here, we understand - although you'll be missed. But keep us updated on the progress - both on the trailer as well as the trucks.

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Ford F834

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Thanks Gary, I will try not to be too scarce, but realistically this house project is daunting and I’m not going to kid myself about how much spare time I am going to have! I will still be around but I won’t have much news on my trucks, and unfortunately I won’t be able to do much junkyarding or helping others with parts. I have a few items that I have promised to people, and I will make good on those, but after that I will need need to take a break from it. The ‘81 is nowhere near where I want it to be, but wow am I grateful to have it to the point where it is... yes it got in the way of progress on the diesel, but it is exactly what I need, when I need it... good move on my part even though it sometimes didn’t seem like it.

Ford F834

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Just a quick update with a mpg calculation...

14.84 mpg mixed driving in town and local roads under 55 mph. Lots of short trips, stop and go and idling. About half light loads and half 1,500 lb to 2,000 lb loads of surplus Sheetrock and used wood flooring.

No opportunity yet to try any tune up, and no opportunity yet to charge the AC....

Given the conditions I’m happy with the fuel consumption and I’m happy with how it hauls. Even with wood flooring stacked up to the bed rails I could barely tell anything was in it. I probably would have felt it if trying to hold speed on a mountain but around town I did not notice any difference from empty.

Gary Lewis

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That is very decent MPG under those conditions. And while tuning might help some, it is really more for ideal conditions rather than stop, go, and idling. Not much helps MPG when there's idling.

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