83bullnose Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Hello new here and new to owning a bullnose. I recently traded a eh running vehicle for my 1983 F350 4dr. The reason I traded was for the towing capacity of the truck. The truck has a 351w automatic trans and is 2wd. The problem I am currently having is when I put the key in and turn it nothing happens, no key buzzer lights or anything. I have tried to troubleshoot this issue via YouTube videos and trying to find wiring diagrams. Not one of the videos I have found describes what to do when you have nothing with the key. I also have no lights and it is not a dead battery although it might need a bigger battery the one in there looks like it might be kind of small. I do know the guy I got the truck from said he changed the starter solenoid out. It seems weird to me that battery is hooked directly into it. I just wonder if he hooked something up wrong. I am also not sure what to search for on here. If anyone on here has had the same issue or can direct me where to start testing for voltage to see if I have a faulty part somewhere. Thanks ahead of time for any help and advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Welcome! Glad you joined. Where's home? I ask because we have a map (Bullnose Forum/Member's Map in the menu) and can add you with a city/state or zip. This really isn't the place to get a lot of help on your issue as it is the introduction folder. But I'll suggest a few things here and let you start a thread in the main section to take it farther. On electrical issues the Electrical & Vacuum Troubleshooting Manual (EVTM) is your friend. The 1985 one is here, but it is pretty close to being right for yours. And you are probably right that your friend hooked something up incorrectly. You didn't say if you have gauges or idiot lights, but the hookup at the starter relay is basically the same. The fuse links that feed the fusebox connect to the battery side of the starter relay, as shown below. If he put them on the other side of the relay it will not work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83bullnose Posted August 26, 2022 Author Share Posted August 26, 2022 Welcome! Glad you joined. Where's home? I ask because we have a map (Bullnose Forum/Member's Map in the menu) and can add you with a city/state or zip. This really isn't the place to get a lot of help on your issue as it is the introduction folder. But I'll suggest a few things here and let you start a thread in the main section to take it farther. On electrical issues the Electrical & Vacuum Troubleshooting Manual (EVTM) is your friend. The 1985 one is here, but it is pretty close to being right for yours. And you are probably right that your friend hooked something up incorrectly. You didn't say if you have gauges or idiot lights, but the hookup at the starter relay is basically the same. The fuse links that feed the fusebox connect to the battery side of the starter relay, as shown below. If he put them on the other side of the relay it will not work. Eastern North Carolina, 27937 is home. I saw those but wasn't sure one to look at whether the 81 or 85. I will take a look at it tomorrow when I get off work. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Eastern North Carolina, 27937 is home. I saw those but wasn't sure one to look at whether the 81 or 85. I will take a look at it tomorrow when I get off work. Thank you. You are now on the map. There's not a whole lot of difference between '81 and '85, so either EVTM will work. And especially for this discussion as that wiring didn't change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpin Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Welcome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzFace2 Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 Eastern North Carolina, 27937 is home. I saw those but wasn't sure one to look at whether the 81 or 85. I will take a look at it tomorrow when I get off work. Thank you. Welcome You are a little more north & east from me as I am about 30 min south east of Raleigh, Angier NC. Can you post up a picture of the solenoid & wiring. Either the PO wired it wrong (hope) or a fuse link is bad as they bolt to the solenoid. Dave ---- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83bullnose Posted August 27, 2022 Author Share Posted August 27, 2022 Welcome! Glad you joined. Where's home? I ask because we have a map (Bullnose Forum/Member's Map in the menu) and can add you with a city/state or zip. This really isn't the place to get a lot of help on your issue as it is the introduction folder. But I'll suggest a few things here and let you start a thread in the main section to take it farther. On electrical issues the Electrical & Vacuum Troubleshooting Manual (EVTM) is your friend. The 1985 one is here, but it is pretty close to being right for yours. And you are probably right that your friend hooked something up incorrectly. You didn't say if you have gauges or idiot lights, but the hookup at the starter relay is basically the same. The fuse links that feed the fusebox connect to the battery side of the starter relay, as shown below. If he put them on the other side of the relay it will not work. Yeah the wires were on the starter side, I switched them over to the battery side. Now I have a new issue, the cable that goes down to the starter is getting hot after I try to start the truck. I will put up a new thread for recommendations on what to check for this. Thank you Gary, for that info earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 Yeah the wires were on the starter side, I switched them over to the battery side. Now I have a new issue, the cable that goes down to the starter is getting hot after I try to start the truck. I will put up a new thread for recommendations on what to check for this. Thank you Gary, for that info earlier. These trucks are like onions, with problems in layers. You peel and cry, peel and cry. But soon you'll have enough for a Bloomin' Onion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83bullnose Posted September 4, 2022 Author Share Posted September 4, 2022 These trucks are like onions, with problems in layers. You peel and cry, peel and cry. But soon you'll have enough for a Bloomin' Onion! I agree with that. What is weird for me is I used to own a 87 mustang with a 5.0 in it and don't remember having ignition issues with it, although it did have a MDS ignition system on it when I bought the car. So did they only run the starter relay on the trucks or was that something they did on all the older fords? I also put up a new thread, I got the truck to crank over but the starter continues to crank, everything I have found about this tells me its the starter relay, but I did just put a brand new one in there. Anyway the new Thread is starter continues to crank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 I agree with that. What is weird for me is I used to own a 87 mustang with a 5.0 in it and don't remember having ignition issues with it, although it did have a MDS ignition system on it when I bought the car. So did they only run the starter relay on the trucks or was that something they did on all the older fords? I also put up a new thread, I got the truck to crank over but the starter continues to crank, everything I have found about this tells me its the starter relay, but I did just put a brand new one in there. Anyway the new Thread is starter continues to crank. All of the Fords used a starter relay. GM had the relay as part of a solenoid built into the starter, but Ford kept it separate and that made it much easier to repair. I remember being on vacation with my brother and his Chevy 350-powered boat didn't want to crank. We pulled the starter, disassembled it, and turned the copper washer in the solenoid over so it had new contact surfaces. Fixed it, but sure wasn't easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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