Gary Lewis Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 Example, as I posted, weighed Darth on a certified scale here in town where grain trucks are weighed. Weight, almost empty tanks and only an aluminum camper shell. 4 of my wheels are now Ford Alcoa aluminum ones which reduces my empty weight. Here is my sticker from the back of my left front door: Note the GVWR (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating) it is 10,000 lbs, now take the tare weight off: 10,000 - 6400 = 3600 lbs capacity which gives 1.8 tons on a nominal 1 ton truck. Now, try adding the front axle GAWR (Gross Axle Weight Rating) and the rear axle GAWR together. 3900 + 7400 = 11,300 lbs and subtracting my tare weight of 6400 lbs you get 4900 lbs or 2.45 tons. And here's Big Blue's certification label. It says the GVWR is 8600 lbs, but the truck actually weighs 6560 lbs. So it can carry 2040 lbs, which needs to include the driver, passenger's etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machspeed Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 John - The 9" was used all the way through the Bullnose years, but in '83 the 8.8" was introduced and it was used on many of the light-duty trucks in place of the 9". The easiest way to find out what you have is to look at the code on the certification label and then go to the page at Documentation/Specifications/Axle Ratios and look up the code. A 3.50 ratio is a 9" and a 3.55 is an 8.8". (Apparently the slightly smaller size of the ring gear changed the # of teeth they could have, changing the ratio.) Curious, and wanting to know if I wasn't loosing it or not, crawled under the truck today to look at that rear end and then pulled the code off the cert label. I knew I had a 9" but could have sworn it was 3:55. Anyway, code is H6 which I guess designates it as a 9" with 3:50 gearing. I guess I'm only half loon instead of full loon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 John - The 9" was used all the way through the Bullnose years, but in '83 the 8.8" was introduced and it was used on many of the light-duty trucks in place of the 9". The easiest way to find out what you have is to look at the code on the certification label and then go to the page at Documentation/Specifications/Axle Ratios and look up the code. A 3.50 ratio is a 9" and a 3.55 is an 8.8". (Apparently the slightly smaller size of the ring gear changed the # of teeth they could have, changing the ratio.) Curious, and wanting to know if I wasn't loosing it or not, crawled under the truck today to look at that rear end and then pulled the code off the cert label. I knew I had a 9" but could have sworn it was 3:55. Anyway, code is H6 which I guess designates it as a 9" with 3:50 gearing. I guess I'm only half loon instead of full loon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Papageorge Posted August 4, 2022 Author Share Posted August 4, 2022 The certification label tells you what the Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) is, meaning the maximum weight the vehicle was designed to carry. Not what the vehicle weighs. It also tells you the VIN number and when you plug the VIN number into PTS, it gives you ALL the vehicles information including the curb weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 It also tells you the VIN number and when you plug the VIN number into PTS, it gives you ALL the vehicles information including the curb weight. That sounds like a cool site. Can you give me a link so I can use it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Papageorge Posted August 4, 2022 Author Share Posted August 4, 2022 That sounds like a cool site. Can you give me a link so I can use it? Unfortunately, you need to be a Ford Dealership Technician, Technician Trainer or Ford Engineer to have access to PTS> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 Unfortunately, you need to be a Ford Dealership Technician, Technician Trainer or Ford Engineer to have access to PTS> Bummer! Can you take a pic of trhe kind of info it shows? I’m just curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Papageorge Posted August 7, 2022 Author Share Posted August 7, 2022 Bummer! Can you take a pic of trhe kind of info it shows? I’m just curious. Sure! When I get back to work (Kiddies are off for summer vacation) I will be happy to! If you like, and you want to IM me your VIN, I can get the vehicle info for your truck. It shows a massive amount of information, but.......pretty much all the info on the PTS site is available on the build sheet I found under the carpet in my truck. The big difference is that instead of just getting the codes, you actually get it all printed out for a person who does not know the codes to be able to decipher. One thing that really bums me out is the lack of generic repair information that they post on PTS for a truck this old. I was only lucky to have access to the OE repair manual that we had in our archives. You should see this thing! You go to the electrical section, and the wiring diagrams fold out into a huge sheet for every variant of these trucks. I don't know what I would have done without it! It has been so long since I have had to look at one of these things (the paper manual) that I almost forgot how to use it! LOL!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 Sure! When I get back to work (Kiddies are off for summer vacation) I will be happy to! If you like, and you want to IM me your VIN, I can get the vehicle info for your truck. It shows a massive amount of information, but.......pretty much all the info on the PTS site is available on the build sheet I found under the carpet in my truck. The big difference is that instead of just getting the codes, you actually get it all printed out for a person who does not know the codes to be able to decipher. One thing that really bums me out is the lack of generic repair information that they post on PTS for a truck this old. I was only lucky to have access to the OE repair manual that we had in our archives. You should see this thing! You go to the electrical section, and the wiring diagrams fold out into a huge sheet for every variant of these trucks. I don't know what I would have done without it! It has been so long since I have had to look at one of these things (the paper manual) that I almost forgot how to use it! LOL!!!! Jake - Thanks for the offer. I did email you the VIN for Big Blue. As for the build sheets, I have it for BB but have not been able to fully understand it, as you can see on our page at Documentation/Specifications/Build Sheet Interpretation. And speaking of our pages, you are aware that we have three Electrical & Vacuum Troubleshooting Manuals (EVTM) on the site. Right? You can find them at Documentation/Electrical/EVTM and then the specific manual - 1981, 1985, & 1986. I have the EVTM's for the other years but just don't have them on the site - yet. In some ways the EVTM's are better than the fold-out sheets, which I also have some of, in that they break the individual "systems" up into one or two pages and disregard other things that might also connect. That makes them easier to follow, but at times it can be very confusing since you might not realize what else connects to that system. We also have the 1985 and 1986 fold-out diagrams on the site at Documentation/Electrical/Wiring Diagrams, but you really have to zoom in on them and that makes it really hard to follow. It isn't easy on the paper itself, but it is a lot easier than on a computer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
85lebaront2 Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 Sure! When I get back to work (Kiddies are off for summer vacation) I will be happy to! If you like, and you want to IM me your VIN, I can get the vehicle info for your truck. It shows a massive amount of information, but.......pretty much all the info on the PTS site is available on the build sheet I found under the carpet in my truck. The big difference is that instead of just getting the codes, you actually get it all printed out for a person who does not know the codes to be able to decipher. One thing that really bums me out is the lack of generic repair information that they post on PTS for a truck this old. I was only lucky to have access to the OE repair manual that we had in our archives. You should see this thing! You go to the electrical section, and the wiring diagrams fold out into a huge sheet for every variant of these trucks. I don't know what I would have done without it! It has been so long since I have had to look at one of these things (the paper manual) that I almost forgot how to use it! LOL!!!! I will send you Darth's VIN although I do have a pretty good idea on what he was built as since I am apparently only the 3rd owner and the first was a local horse breeder, Delmar Stables located in Suffolk VA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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