"Rocky" - 1981 F250 Restoration

[Gary Lewis]

I'm tagging Keith/FORDification, who's Mr Ford @ LMC. He needs to know about how poorly their dome light lens fits.

I didn't realize they paid any attention. :) Well if Keith wants more info I'd be happy to provide. To be clear, what I'm doing with Rocky would have been impossible without LMC existing, and I've probably thrown $5k their way so I'm definitely glad to have a vendor available! I particularly like how their parts diagrams are clickable, which makes it easy to home in on the exact thing you need, especially when it comes to hardware.

The main issues are with what are generally third party components. Seat heaters, dome light lenses, floor insulation and carpeting... All those things seem to be "not perfect, but better than nothing". I'm pretty data driven as you've all probably guessed, and I'd be happy to share specific details on any items that might be improved... "Have calipers will share" and all that...

Keith is a friend of mine. He is Mr FORDification, the website/forum for earlier Ford trucks, and the way that came to be is much like the way ours came to be. We both started on FTE but soon became dissatisfied with things and started our own. And now we both have the go-to site for that era of Ford trucks, including the most documentation on them anywhere on the internet.

We met at a FORDification truck show in SW MO several years ago, and after talking things over in great detail realized our similarities and bonded. He's helped me immensely, like directing me to a guy who was giving away a large set of Technical Service Bulletins. And when I got them I discovered they included ones that went back into his era, so I shipped them to him.

At the time he lived in Nebraska, but I don't remember what his job was. Then, not quite two years ago, he was recruited by LMC to be "the new head of the Ford Research & Development (R&D) team....and I've accepted the offer. I will be starting there full-time in about three weeks. Essentially, I'll be in charge of anything that has to do with Ford trucks and Broncos, and Ford-related products sold through LMC's catalogs." (You can read more about that here.)

However, he's discovered that he doesn't have a lot of control. For instance, several of us won't use their catalog because it asks stupid questions about your truck when all you want to do is buy a light bulb - for instance. We've made him aware of that and he's discovered that they aren't going to change their catalog. So, while I've asked him to come see your post, I don't know that he will be able to effect a change.

 

[taskswap]

However, he's discovered that he doesn't have a lot of control. For instance, several of us won't use their catalog because it asks stupid questions about your truck when all you want to do is buy a light bulb - for instance. We've made him aware of that and he's discovered that they aren't going to change their catalog. So, while I've asked him to come see your post, I don't know that he will be able to effect a change.

Ah that makes sense. I'm very familiar with how much inertia companies can develop (against change) when they've done something a certain way for a long while. Always happy to share my thoughts but no expectations of course!

Here's my latest madness. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, I've decided I want to keep my slide locks. I think they're cool, and I'm lucky enough to have the two plastic trim rings that seem to be the hardest piece of the puzzle. However, I only have one of the two "slide" actuator pieces. So... why not measure the one I have and have it 3D printed?

Here's what I came up with. I'm fairly new to SketchApp and frankly find it very clumsy to use, but the price is right. :) So I didn't bother trying to round the corners on things, I figure I can do that when the parts get here. If somebody wants to improve on my design I've attached it below:

Slide_Lock_Actuator.stl

Gary maybe we should start a "3D Models" section in Documentation? I also have that template for the climate control faceplate (which I'm going to be finalizing/installing in my dash this week, hopefully) and I may make some other things. 3D printing could be a good way to make some of these parts more accessible in the future.

I used CraftCloud3D for the printing, I've had good luck with them in the past. (They don't do the prints themselves, they're just a marketplace.) Some of the quotes for basic plastics were as low as $5-6 per piece, but on a whim I sprang for the "fiber-reinforced nylon, polished" which was more like $20 apiece.

If I get some time I may try to make a model of the trim rings as well but don't hold your breath. Given my skills, the complexity of the part may be beyond me. (If there's somebody here that wants to volunteer to do the actual modeling, I'm happy to take precise dimensions off mine and do a hand drawing!)

 

[Machspeed]

However, he's discovered that he doesn't have a lot of control. For instance, several of us won't use their catalog because it asks stupid questions about your truck when all you want to do is buy a light bulb - for instance. We've made him aware of that and he's discovered that they aren't going to change their catalog. So, while I've asked him to come see your post, I don't know that he will be able to effect a change.

Ah that makes sense. I'm very familiar with how much inertia companies can develop (against change) when they've done something a certain way for a long while. Always happy to share my thoughts but no expectations of course!

Here's my latest madness. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, I've decided I want to keep my slide locks. I think they're cool, and I'm lucky enough to have the two plastic trim rings that seem to be the hardest piece of the puzzle. However, I only have one of the two "slide" actuator pieces. So... why not measure the one I have and have it 3D printed?

Here's what I came up with. I'm fairly new to SketchApp and frankly find it very clumsy to use, but the price is right. :) So I didn't bother trying to round the corners on things, I figure I can do that when the parts get here. If somebody wants to improve on my design I've attached it below:

Slide_Lock_Actuator.stl

Gary maybe we should start a "3D Models" section in Documentation? I also have that template for the climate control faceplate (which I'm going to be finalizing/installing in my dash this week, hopefully) and I may make some other things. 3D printing could be a good way to make some of these parts more accessible in the future.

I used CraftCloud3D for the printing, I've had good luck with them in the past. (They don't do the prints themselves, they're just a marketplace.) Some of the quotes for basic plastics were as low as $5-6 per piece, but on a whim I sprang for the "fiber-reinforced nylon, polished" which was more like $20 apiece.

If I get some time I may try to make a model of the trim rings as well but don't hold your breath. Given my skills, the complexity of the part may be beyond me. (If there's somebody here that wants to volunteer to do the actual modeling, I'm happy to take precise dimensions off mine and do a hand drawing!)

Nice build thread! I see some very familiar things that bring back memories of things I did, that courtesy light being one of them. Mine was pitted and some of the plastic parts inside were messed up due to the heat from the crazy bulbs they used back then. I found a relatively nice unit on ebay and merged parts from mine with the one I got on ebay. Drilled out those rivets and tapped the fixture such that I could use screws. Went with some LED bulbs in it and acquired the LMC cover you are having fit up issues with. Strange, but mine fit pretty good.

[Gary Lewis]

Gary maybe we should start a "3D Models" section in Documentation? I also have that template for the climate control faceplate (which I'm going to be finalizing/installing in my dash this week, hopefully) and I may make some other things. 3D printing could be a good way to make some of these parts more accessible in the future.

That's a good idea, and I think it belongs in the Resources folder. But, what do you think?

[taskswap]

That's a good idea, and I think it belongs in the Resources folder. But, what do you think?

Whatever you think makes the most sense. I could also just link to my Thingiverse profile in my signature block... But I figured if we got this more popular I wouldn't be the only one posting, so I didn't want it to be all about me...

Minimal progress today, I had work to do, but I did have a few small items:

1. Experimented with "leading," the alternative technique vs welding for filling small holes in body panels. If you don't consider yourself a welder but you have ANY experience with soldering I highly recommend this. It was super easy to do and worked the first time. Per some Youtube video recommendations I used an acid-core solder.

This was to repair my cowl, which had a low spots where somebody had poorly applied bondo in the past and it was all cracking and falling out. I don't really care about dents and low spots (the cowl already has a few more that were NOT fixed) so I just fixed a few small holes, wire-brushed it, and gave it a few coats of primer, red paint, and clearcoat. I really did very little prep here, this doesn't look "showroom" any more than a cat looks like a dog, but from a distance it looks way better than it did...

I then promptly scratched the (still soft) paint messing around seeing how it would fit back on the truck. Oops.

I also solved a mystery. You may remember I have water coming in my driver's side kick vent, and figured the bottom was plugged up with pine needles. Well it was plugged... but not with pine needles. Get a load of this:

This isn't the nastiest thing I've pulled out of the truck, but it's definitely top 5. Anyway, it drains great now.

Given my success with leading you'd think I would tackle that screen we had talked about a page ago but I changed my mind. The thing is where I am in Colorado there actually aren't all that many trees. The one near my house is a honey locust which has tiny leaves. And though I'll be taking this back-country (where there ARE pine trees) it'll only be a few days at a time - 3-10 days trips a few times a year at the most. Even when I do that, we tend not to park under pine trees. Sadly, there's a lot of "beetle kill" from beetles here in the state so we generally don't park under trees in the back-country unless it's our only option.

Given all that, and that while I did clean "some stuff" out of the cowl it wasn't that bad (and I'm probably the first person to ever do it)... I decided not to bother. I'll hit it with the leaf blower once a year if needed. I have plenty more projects to be getting on with!

Now I need to figure out what that rag was doing, though. It was stuffed in there pretty tightly - it's hard to imagine it "fell down in there" or "blew in ... somehow". So my assumption is a (recent) past owner was trying to catch something, probably a leak in one of the brake or fuel lines. I have pretty good brake performance even considering the rear are drums, so I'm guessing there's a slight fuel leak, maybe just a slow drip. I hope it's that simple (easy for me to fix) but I also kind of hope I'm wrong because wow, what a dangerous way to deal with that...

[FORDification]

I'm tagging Keith/FORDification, who's Mr Ford @ LMC. He needs to know about how poorly their dome light lens fits.

I didn't realize they paid any attention. :) Well if Keith wants more info I'd be happy to provide. To be clear, what I'm doing with Rocky would have been impossible without LMC existing, and I've probably thrown $5k their way so I'm definitely glad to have a vendor available! I particularly like how their parts diagrams are clickable, which makes it easy to home in on the exact thing you need, especially when it comes to hardware.

The main issues are with what are generally third party components. Seat heaters, dome light lenses, floor insulation and carpeting... All those things seem to be "not perfect, but better than nothing". I'm pretty data driven as you've all probably guessed, and I'd be happy to share specific details on any items that might be improved... "Have calipers will share" and all that...

Thanks for tagging me Gary. I grabbed one of these lenses of the shelf today, as well as the dome light fixture from one of our trucks, and attempted to install the new lens. And while there have been many who say their lens fits great, the one I tried had some minor fitment issues, so I spent a few minutes studying it and came up with the following.

First of all, it turns out that the lens edges were molded straight, when in fact the edge face should have been beveled just a bit, as pictured here in this comparison shot of the reproduction lens and an OEM lens.

So I grabbed my baby Dremel and started beveling the sides just a little bit.

Now...you only want to bevel the bottom edge of the lens, the part that contacts the dome light body....and only the middle area. Do not bevel the ends, as they fit fine. Here you can see how I used a cone stone to do the bevel.

...and in this shot, I've shaded the area that needs to be slightly beveled. Don't go all the way out to the outer face, nor out to the ends.

And then finally, you might have to also do a very light sanding on the bottom face of the lip, along the same area in the middle, between the red arrows shown here.

Just sand a little and test fit, and repeat, until it snaps into place with minimal effort. The tabs will lock the lens into place and it looks great.

It actually took me longer to analyze why exactly it wasn't fitting correctly than it took to fix it. All told, the sanding maybe took me 3-4 minutes.

Hope this helps. :)

[Gary Lewis]

Thanks for tagging me Gary. I grabbed one of these lenses of the shelf today, as well as the dome light fixture from one of our trucks, and attempted to install the new lens. And while there have been many who say their lens fits great, the one I tried had some minor fitment issues, so I spent a few minutes studying it and came up with the following.

First of all, it turns out that the lens edges were molded straight, when in fact the edge face should have been beveled just a bit, as pictured here in this comparison shot of the reproduction lens and an OEM lens.

So I grabbed my baby Dremel and started beveling the sides just a little bit.

Now...you only want to bevel the bottom edge of the lens, the part that contacts the dome light body....and only the middle area. Do not bevel the ends, as they fit fine. Here you can see how I used a cone stone to do the bevel.

...and in this shot, I've shaded the area that needs to be slightly beveled. Don't go all the way out to the outer face, nor out to the ends.

And then finally, you might have to also do a very light sanding on the bottom face of the lip, along the same area in the middle, between the red arrows shown here.

Just sand a little and test fit, and repeat, until it snaps into place with minimal effort. The tabs will lock the lens into place and it looks great.

It actually took me longer to analyze why exactly it wasn't fitting correctly than it took to fix it. All told, the sanding maybe took me 3-4 minutes.

Hope this helps. :)

Keith - Thanks a bunch! That will help a lot of people. And your directions are excellent.

Now, go build that 455.

[Gsmblue]

Keith - Thanks a bunch! That will help a lot of people. And your directions are excellent.

Now, go build that 455.

Wow, thank you for taking the time, much appreciated!

I am part of the club that has spent a few $$$ with LMC! 😎

[grumpin]

Thanks for tagging me Gary. I grabbed one of these lenses of the shelf today, as well as the dome light fixture from one of our trucks, and attempted to install the new lens. And while there have been many who say their lens fits great, the one I tried had some minor fitment issues, so I spent a few minutes studying it and came up with the following.

First of all, it turns out that the lens edges were molded straight, when in fact the edge face should have been beveled just a bit, as pictured here in this comparison shot of the reproduction lens and an OEM lens.

So I grabbed my baby Dremel and started beveling the sides just a little bit.

Now...you only want to bevel the bottom edge of the lens, the part that contacts the dome light body....and only the middle area. Do not bevel the ends, as they fit fine. Here you can see how I used a cone stone to do the bevel.

...and in this shot, I've shaded the area that needs to be slightly beveled. Don't go all the way out to the outer face, nor out to the ends.

And then finally, you might have to also do a very light sanding on the bottom face of the lip, along the same area in the middle, between the red arrows shown here.

Just sand a little and test fit, and repeat, until it snaps into place with minimal effort. The tabs will lock the lens into place and it looks great.

It actually took me longer to analyze why exactly it wasn't fitting correctly than it took to fix it. All told, the sanding maybe took me 3-4 minutes.

Hope this helps. :)

Thank you Keith! Appreciate you doing this.

[taskswap]

Thank you Keith! Appreciate you doing this.

Thanks Keith! i can confirm this procedure definitely helped. I still wish the lens cover's "tabs" ("fingers"?) were a wee bit longer - the grip isn't very strong. But there's no doubt in the end this process is worth it. The clear cover is SO much brighter than the factory yellow one. Insert "night and day" joke here.

Just some text updates this morning, but after I get some morning work out of the way, I expect to be reporting back on a number of progress items. I got the cowl cover back on with minor scratching, avoidable now that I know the trick. So here's some advice. The cowl is flexible AND it also has two rounded areas on the left and right where the cowl "lip" doesn't go down as far. Those two details are the key.

With the hood raised ALMOST (but not quite) all the way I rested the cowl cover on the cowl. I attached the wiper fluid spray nozzle and fed the antenna wire up through the cowl cover. Then on the passenger side, I "torqued" the cowl cover clockwise so the front lip was down an inch or so. This changes the angle of both the cover itself and the hole where the wiper arm sticks through and I was able to "sneak it" under the hood there and drop it over the passenger side wiper hub.

The driver's side went the same way. Instead of sliding the cover forward to clear the wiper arm hub, I torqued it (counterclockwise this time). Again, this let me sneak the driver's side of the cowl forward under the hood without getting scratched. You can tell where this needs to be done because it's where the curved/shallower portions of the front lip of the cowl cover are.

Anyway that's all done and I also installed a new hood seal while I was at it. My old one disintegrated as I took it off. That actually turned out to be frustrating. Three of the screws didn't line up so I needed to drill some new screw holes. I didn't want metal shavings dropping down anywhere bad so I had to spread a drop cloth over the engine first... But job done.

Now I'm mounting my winch on my winch plate so I can start doing some test-fitting there. Today I also hope to refill the transmission gear oil (says it's "out for delivery") and fix my leaking radiator drain petcock.