The Deuce Build Thread

[Gary Lewis]

Yep, decisions.

FYI, from 1980 thru 85 the speedo cable was in two pieces with the VSS under the brake booster. In 86 the VSS went into the tranny/t-case and there was a 1-piece speedo cable.

I changed to the latter and got a more stable signal for the speed control. Apparently the speedo cable was twisting and releasing.

Ok, how do you explain Darth having the two piece cable with the sensor near the floor penetration? Built 08/86

There is no explaining what parts are on Darth.

Seriously, it looks like there was a difference in trucks with and without the "speed reducer". You can see that on Documentation/Driveline/Speedometer Gears, Cables, & Sensors and the Speedo Cables tab. The ones with speed reducer used the two-part cable through '86. But those w/o went to the 1-piece cable in '86.

But, of course, that's what the MPC says. However, things were never as crisp in cutover. Many of the changes were made on a by-plant basis. And weren't all the crewcab DRW's made in Canada?

[Pete Whitstone]

FYI, from 1980 thru 85 the speedo cable was in two pieces with the VSS under the brake booster.

What in the world was the VSS reading in that area of the vehicle? The speedo cable?

 

[85lebaront2]

There is no explaining what parts are on Darth.

Seriously, it looks like there was a difference in trucks with and without the "speed reducer". You can see that on Documentation/Driveline/Speedometer Gears, Cables, & Sensors and the Speedo Cables tab. The ones with speed reducer used the two-part cable through '86. But those w/o went to the 1-piece cable in '86.

But, of course, that's what the MPC says. However, things were never as crisp in cutover. Many of the changes were made on a by-plant basis. And weren't all the crewcab DRW's made in Canada?

All crew cabs were built in Oakville Ontario as were the Flexes so all three of my Fords are imports.

[Gary Lewis]

There is no explaining what parts are on Darth.

Seriously, it looks like there was a difference in trucks with and without the "speed reducer". You can see that on Documentation/Driveline/Speedometer Gears, Cables, & Sensors and the Speedo Cables tab. The ones with speed reducer used the two-part cable through '86. But those w/o went to the 1-piece cable in '86.

But, of course, that's what the MPC says. However, things were never as crisp in cutover. Many of the changes were made on a by-plant basis. And weren't all the crewcab DRW's made in Canada?

All crew cabs were built in Oakville Ontario as were the Flexes so all three of my Fords are imports.

The VSS plugs into the tranny or t-case with a driven gear on it, just like a cable. Then the cable plugs into it.

As for Canada, perhaps they were still using the leftover 2-piece cable?

[Pete Whitstone]

The VSS plugs into the tranny or t-case with a driven gear on it, just like a cable. Then the cable plugs into it.

 

I didn't know that. Wonder if I could assemble a solution from stock parts - I'll check that out, thanks for the info!

[Gary Lewis]

The VSS plugs into the tranny or t-case with a driven gear on it, just like a cable. Then the cable plugs into it.

 

I didn't know that. Wonder if I could assemble a solution from stock parts - I'll check that out, thanks for the info!

I think you should be able to do so. My understanding is that the later VSS also fed the speed control, so at least it handled both inputs.

[Pete Whitstone]

Quick update - driveline is nearly back together. I only have to modify the pump (the part just under the torque converter and install it, then do the work in the valve body (pan) area.

So far only a few moments of major panic.

One was on disassembly when I discovered a roller bearing broken apart and little ball bearings scattered around, and I didn't know where it had come from. I got that figured out and ordered a new bearing.

Another was when I had put it almost all back together and realized that I had a thrust bearing left over, and wasn't sure where it went. I carefully reviewed the video and saw where it came from at disassembly. I am pretty sure the video omitted it on reassembly. Bet that has hosed up a few people.

I have ordered a stand-alone controller for it, a Quick 2 from Baumann/US Shift. That might be another learning curve. I found out the stand-alone controller requires vehicle speed as an input, and I don't have a vehicle speed sensor anywhere, as I stayed with the 9 inch rather than swap in the 8.8 from the 95. I have a plan to add a reluctor wheel (anti-lock brake ring, or tone ring) to the pinion input on the differential. It will take a little machining but I think I can make it use the sensor that was stock on the 95 donor truck.

I am pretty sure this transmission had never been apart before, and I gotta say, for a 26 year old unit, it was in amazing shape. All the seals were soft and pliable, all the other surfaces looked close to brand new. Ford really did a good job designing and building these things.

I can't claim to completely understand how an A/T works, but I have a much better idea now, anyway.

Trans is complete! I have about a 98.9% confidence I did everything right and it will work great, but it will be a few weeks before I can get it in the truck and find out.

I finished up the valve body modifications last night, here it is just before putting the pan on.

I spent a few minutes fixing the bullet hole in the pan before it went on. The donor truck had been used for a LOT of target practice, but the pan was the only damage to the parts I cared about. No further damage than the pan, and the bullet apparently disintegrated on impact, because I could only find 2 lumps of lead in the pan, and together they weighed maybe a gram. Anyhow, the pan is on and the trans is ready to be installed. After I tear out the C6 that's in the truck and change everything, of course.

Here's the pile of consumable parts that were replaced during the rebuild. This isn't even the complete pile.

And in case anyone else is wanting to take this on, here is the link to the first of 16 videos that walked me through it.

I watched all 16 before I picked up a wrench. The pace seems really slow, but when I was doing the actual rebuild I realized that's so you could work at that pace, without having to place the video on hold too much.

Next up - remove the C6, move the engine back, remove the C6 crossmember, install the 4WD crossmember, change everything, rebuild the 9 inch... this shouldn't take long. Ha!

[Machspeed]

Trans is complete! I have about a 98.9% confidence I did everything right and it will work great, but it will be a few weeks before I can get it in the truck and find out.

I finished up the valve body modifications last night, here it is just before putting the pan on.

I spent a few minutes fixing the bullet hole in the pan before it went on. The donor truck had been used for a LOT of target practice, but the pan was the only damage to the parts I cared about. No further damage than the pan, and the bullet apparently disintegrated on impact, because I could only find 2 lumps of lead in the pan, and together they weighed maybe a gram. Anyhow, the pan is on and the trans is ready to be installed. After I tear out the C6 that's in the truck and change everything, of course.

Here's the pile of consumable parts that were replaced during the rebuild. This isn't even the complete pile.

And in case anyone else is wanting to take this on, here is the link to the first of 16 videos that walked me through it.

I watched all 16 before I picked up a wrench. The pace seems really slow, but when I was doing the actual rebuild I realized that's so you could work at that pace, without having to place the video on hold too much.

Next up - remove the C6, move the engine back, remove the C6 crossmember, install the 4WD crossmember, change everything, rebuild the 9 inch... this shouldn't take long. Ha!

One can certainly learn a lot on YouTube, but that's a huge undertaking and one that would make me a bit nervous! Looking forward to how this works out for you. Please keep us advised?

[Gary Lewis]

Trans is complete! I have about a 98.9% confidence I did everything right and it will work great, but it will be a few weeks before I can get it in the truck and find out.

I finished up the valve body modifications last night, here it is just before putting the pan on.

I spent a few minutes fixing the bullet hole in the pan before it went on. The donor truck had been used for a LOT of target practice, but the pan was the only damage to the parts I cared about. No further damage than the pan, and the bullet apparently disintegrated on impact, because I could only find 2 lumps of lead in the pan, and together they weighed maybe a gram. Anyhow, the pan is on and the trans is ready to be installed. After I tear out the C6 that's in the truck and change everything, of course.

Here's the pile of consumable parts that were replaced during the rebuild. This isn't even the complete pile.

And in case anyone else is wanting to take this on, here is the link to the first of 16 videos that walked me through it.

I watched all 16 before I picked up a wrench. The pace seems really slow, but when I was doing the actual rebuild I realized that's so you could work at that pace, without having to place the video on hold too much.

Next up - remove the C6, move the engine back, remove the C6 crossmember, install the 4WD crossmember, change everything, rebuild the 9 inch... this shouldn't take long. Ha!

That is awesome!!! Well done!

[Pete Whitstone]

Trans is complete! I have about a 98.9% confidence I did everything right and it will work great, but it will be a few weeks before I can get it in the truck and find out.

I finished up the valve body modifications last night, here it is just before putting the pan on.

I spent a few minutes fixing the bullet hole in the pan before it went on. The donor truck had been used for a LOT of target practice, but the pan was the only damage to the parts I cared about. No further damage than the pan, and the bullet apparently disintegrated on impact, because I could only find 2 lumps of lead in the pan, and together they weighed maybe a gram. Anyhow, the pan is on and the trans is ready to be installed. After I tear out the C6 that's in the truck and change everything, of course.

Here's the pile of consumable parts that were replaced during the rebuild. This isn't even the complete pile.

And in case anyone else is wanting to take this on, here is the link to the first of 16 videos that walked me through it.

I watched all 16 before I picked up a wrench. The pace seems really slow, but when I was doing the actual rebuild I realized that's so you could work at that pace, without having to place the video on hold too much.

Next up - remove the C6, move the engine back, remove the C6 crossmember, install the 4WD crossmember, change everything, rebuild the 9 inch... this shouldn't take long. Ha!

Transmission got put in the truck yesterday. There was more than one time during the install when I said "this just doesn't fit!" This trans is SO much larger than the C6. Turns out it does fit, but just.

Before I could put the trans in, I had to get the engine in the right location. It had to move back about 3 inches and onto the V8 perches. That went pretty smooth and now it sits lower and further back.

Unfortunately that made it so the passenger side header would no longer fit, so for now it's back to the factory manifolds, but that's a problem for a different day.

I was working alone and with no lift, so I had to make sure I could lift the trans up into place without incident. So first up was to build a cradle for it to sit on the jack. I flipped the trans up side down and used some spare 2x4s.

And the right side up view.

Wrestled the trans under the truck, which was sitting on its wheels. Got the torque converter in place, then got the trans onto the cradle. Now I had to get the cradle about 5 inches high to get the jack under it. Lifting one side, then the other, with a longer 2x4, I was able to stack some blocks under each side, high enough to get a jack rolled under.

Keeping this whole thing stable while getting enough blocks under it until I could use something better was tricky.

With the cradle high enough, I was able to bring in some RV jacks to keep things from going south.

With this arrangement, I could pick the cradle up just off the jacks, move it to where I needed, and let it back down onto the jacks. Or adjust the jacks up instead. Since I had a jack on each corner, I could control front to back and side to side tilt. The engine also needed some tilt adjustment, which was accomplished with a jack and a 2x4 up to the area between the harmonic damper and the pulleys.

Getting the 4 torque converter to flexplate bolts lined up, then getting the trans bolts themselves lined up, was a major juggling act. I really hope the trans works flawlessly, because I really don't want to do this again.

Once the trans bolts were in place and tightened, the last task of the evening was to make a flywheel locking tool out of some angle iron, and use it in the starter hole so I could tighten the 4 converter to flexplate bolts.

The trans is still supported by the cradle, today I need to get the transfer case up and installed. I will probably use the same approach and build some type of cradle for it. Then I will need to get the 4WD cross-member installed. It does not appear the chassis has the holes drilled for that, so that will be its own fun.

Man, I really need to get a lift.