Gary Lewis Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 Ok, it looks like it is unanimous. The MPC is wrong, several times. But can someone confirm that the bolt is 1 3/8" below the head? John, that's what your pic that you texted to me shows, right? If so, I'm going to assume we know the part number and edit the table as well as the illustrations. Yes, that's what it appears to be in the picture I took. I'll measure it again when I get out there later. I think I'm going to stay in and watch is SNOW today. Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow! That will give me a chance to edit those illustrations and work a bit more on the 3G conversion stuff. So, if it isn't 1 3/8" please let me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
85lebaront2 Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 I think I'm going to stay in and watch is SNOW today. Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow! That will give me a chance to edit those illustrations and work a bit more on the 3G conversion stuff. So, if it isn't 1 3/8" please let me know. You can keep it out there please, it's bad enough my Seabee buddy in MS sent his weather prediction for sub-freezing temperatures (he's on the Gulf Coast). I just sent you via email measurements of the 8 different seat belt bolts I have, 4 Ford and 4 Mopar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 You can keep it out there please, it's bad enough my Seabee buddy in MS sent his weather prediction for sub-freezing temperatures (he's on the Gulf Coast). I just sent you via email measurements of the 8 different seat belt bolts I have, 4 Ford and 4 Mopar. I got the email, thanks. As for the weather, I was taught to share so will send this your way. We are up to 6F, but headed to negative numbers tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdWrknTrk Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 Thanks Gary! That seat belt anchor bolt was in there. I think it may have been cross threaded and then with all the years of corrosion it wouldn't budge. I knew I was in trouble when the heat wouldn't even unseat it. An impact was it's ultimate demise before drilling and tapping it out. . I'm pretty sure these seat belt bolts are self tapping. At least it seems that way. Not sure what the back of the catalogue says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 I'm pretty sure these seat belt bolts are self tapping. At least it seems that way. Not sure what the back of the catalogue says. Yup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 I can confirm that the reels on Darth (all 4 of them) have shoulderless bolts. They have to or the reels would move around. FWIW, the crew cabs have the mounting location for rear outboard shoulder belts, lower holes have rubber plugs as they go through to underneath, upper holes aren't tapped, but the bulge in the corner trim is there with a plug in it where the belt will pass through. Bill - You said the reels on Darth are held with shoulderless bolts. But what about the bolts into the floor? And, do you agree with the revisions below? Also, what's the difference between the above illustration and the one below? Both supposedly are for a crewcab. I'm confused! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
85lebaront2 Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 Bill - You said the reels on Darth are held with shoulderless bolts. But what about the bolts into the floor? And, do you agree with the revisions below? Also, what's the difference between the above illustration and the one below? Both supposedly are for a crewcab. I'm confused! The outer front bolts were shoulderless top and bottom, the inboard bolts, I believe had shoulders (they should match Big Blue). Rear belts were like the top illustration, note it shows 1983/ F350 crew cab where the lower shows 1980/ Super Cab with forward facing rear seat (it has a very narrow cushion) and says crew cab. Maybe Ford changed in 1983 along with all the other detail changes. Darth's original rear belt system is what the top illustration has except I do not remember a shoulder bolt on the rear outboard retractors, they were solid mounted with no movement. I found that since the back wall of the crew cab is the same as the single cab, the holes and mount for the single cab shoulder harnesses were there. I picked up an extra set of belts at Pick-n-Pull and installed them. Hope this helps. Current belt setup is the same as I described, except I had the 1996 (bottom retractor location) belts stitched to my retractors so I have the opal gray interior belts. Inboard ones were just pulled from the 1996 crew cab. Bill On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 2:56 PM Gary Lewis [via Bullnose Enthusiasts Forum] wrote: > Bill - You said the reels on Darth are held with shoulderless bolts. But > what about the bolts into the floor? And, do you agree with the revisions > below? > > > > > Also, what's the difference between the above illustration and the one > below? Both supposedly are for a crewcab. I'm confused! > > Gary, AKA "Gary fellow": Profile > > > *Dad's* : > '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" > w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches > *Blue:* 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a > 3.5L EB & Max Tow > *Big Blue:* 1985 > F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker in front & 10.25 Spicer/Trutrac > in back, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI > > > ------------------------------ > You have been tagged to come see this post. > View message @ > http://forum.garysgaragemahal.com/Seatbelt-Anchor-Bolt-tp88424p88525.html > NAML > >Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machspeed Posted February 14, 2021 Author Share Posted February 14, 2021 Bill - You said the reels on Darth are held with shoulderless bolts. But what about the bolts into the floor? And, do you agree with the revisions below? Also, what's the difference between the above illustration and the one below? Both supposedly are for a crewcab. I'm confused! Bolt measured with vernier caliper from bottom of head to end of threaded surface was 1.350".... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salans7 Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 Bolt measured with vernier caliper from bottom of head to end of threaded surface was 1.350".... Gary, I don't know why after all this time you're still under the assumption that the MPC can be trusted as factual information, especially after I've griped for years about how Ford conveniently left out the 1980-only shift boots, but swears that E0TZ-7277-A and E0TZ-7277-E are correct for a 1980 truck which came with the trim rings for the shift boots. http://www.garysgaragemahal.com/#nabble-td37615 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 The outer front bolts were shoulderless top and bottom, the inboard bolts, I believe had shoulders (they should match Big Blue). Rear belts were like the top illustration, note it shows 1983/ F350 crew cab where the lower shows 1980/ Super Cab with forward facing rear seat (it has a very narrow cushion) and says crew cab. Maybe Ford changed in 1983 along with all the other detail changes. Darth's original rear belt system is what the top illustration has except I do not remember a shoulder bolt on the rear outboard retractors, they were solid mounted with no movement. I found that since the back wall of the crew cab is the same as the single cab, the holes and mount for the single cab shoulder harnesses were there. I picked up an extra set of belts at Pick-n-Pull and installed them. Hope this helps. Current belt setup is the same as I described, except I had the 1996 (bottom retractor location) belts stitched to my retractors so I have the opal gray interior belts. Inboard ones were just pulled from the 1996 crew cab. Bill On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 2:56 PM Gary Lewis [via Bullnose Enthusiasts Forum] wrote: > Bill - You said the reels on Darth are held with shoulderless bolts. But > what about the bolts into the floor? And, do you agree with the revisions > below? > > > > > Also, what's the difference between the above illustration and the one > below? Both supposedly are for a crewcab. I'm confused! > > Gary, AKA "Gary fellow": Profile > > > *Dad's* : > '81 F150 Ranger XLT 4x4: Down for restomod: Full-roller "stroked 351M" > w/Trick Flow heads & intake, EEC-V SEFI/E4OD/3.50 gears w/Kevlar clutches > *Blue:* 2015 F150 Platinum 4x4 SuperCrew wearing Blue Jeans & sporting a > 3.5L EB & Max Tow > *Big Blue:* 1985 > F250HD 4x4: 460/ZF5/3.55's, D60 w/Ox locker in front & 10.25 Spicer/Trutrac > in back, & EEC-V MAF/SEFI > > > ------------------------------ > You have been tagged to come see this post. > View message @ > http://forum.garysgaragemahal.com/Seatbelt-Anchor-Bolt-tp88424p88525.html > NAML > > Shaun - You have me confused with Numberdummy, who seems to think the MPC is infallible. I know there are errors galore in it. My copy is marked up all over the place. But it is far, far better than nothing. John - Thanks for the measurement. Bill - Thanks for that. I'm still trying to get my head around what you said so I may have more questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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