Gsmblue Posted March 10, 2020 Author Share Posted March 10, 2020 There's no specified torque for the studs themselves that I know of. But if you lube them with the special ARP lube, like you will the tops for the nuts, then they'll torque down the same as the nuts when you torque them. And, that is 23 - 25 ft-lbs, as shown on Page 44 of the factory shop manual here: Documentation/Engines/Windsor, and then the Instructions tab. But also note that Page 17 shows the torque sequence and says that you should torque them down in two steps. I'd probably snug the nuts up by hand, and then torque them to 10 ft-lbs, then go back over them at 20, and then to 25. Thanks Gary. Now to find this ARP lube.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdWrknTrk Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Thanks Gary. Now to find this ARP lube.... Somewhere Gary did a comparison with ARP, regular motor oil, and -I believe- anti-seize. I use the same red assembly lube I use on cranks and cams, or my all-time fallback - STP.(though it doesn't have as much ZDDP as it used to) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gsmblue Posted March 11, 2020 Author Share Posted March 11, 2020 Somewhere Gary did a comparison with ARP, regular motor oil, and -I believe- anti-seize. I use the same red assembly lube I use on cranks and cams, or my all-time fallback - STP.(though it doesn't have as much ZDDP as it used to) Ended up using regular anti seize As I could not find the ARP stuff locally. The intake went on, torqued it on in 3 stages. Was not as smooth as I would like. The studs were to short for the blanking plate. Then I went back to the original bolts for those 2 spots and the one furthest back just did not torque down... All this means I am definitely building an engine next winter!!! Anyhow, I will put the carb back on today and see how it all goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Ended up using regular anti seize As I could not find the ARP stuff locally. The intake went on, torqued it on in 3 stages. Was not as smooth as I would like. The studs were to short for the blanking plate. Then I went back to the original bolts for those 2 spots and the one furthest back just did not torque down... All this means I am definitely building an engine next winter!!! Anyhow, I will put the carb back on today and see how it all goes. Do you think the one that wouldn't torque down is stripped? Or what? Anyway, hope it works! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdWrknTrk Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Ended up using regular anti seize As I could not find the ARP stuff locally. The intake went on, torqued it on in 3 stages. Was not as smooth as I would like. The studs were to short for the blanking plate. Then I went back to the original bolts for those 2 spots and the one furthest back just did not torque down... All this means I am definitely building an engine next winter!!! Anyhow, I will put the carb back on today and see how it all goes. I'd pull the stud, flush out the hole with brakekleen or something and run a bottoming tap in there. I don't doubt the QC of ARP, but if you can find a few threads to grab in the bottom of the hole it would save having to pull the intake (again) to put a thread insert. On the plus side, you've found the cause of your leak! 💪 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gsmblue Posted March 12, 2020 Author Share Posted March 12, 2020 I'd pull the stud, flush out the hole with brakekleen or something and run a bottoming tap in there. I don't doubt the QC of ARP, but if you can find a few threads to grab in the bottom of the hole it would save having to pull the intake (again) to put a thread insert. On the plus side, you've found the cause of your leak! 💪 I am going to let it ride for now it is under torqued for sure, the wrench clicks at 22. But if this leak happens again then I will have to take more serious action such as described above. I removed the valve covers and put in new ARP studs to match the intake, I did not get the carb on today, that will happen tomorrow. I am going to install a spacer below the carb, was an impulse buy, please do not judge! However, the rear speakers are in and sound great.. the grills I have are for a truck not a bronco so they are smaller. I had to drill new holes to mount them but they fit and look fine. I haven’t painted them blue yet as I was not sure if they were going to work. I should get her running again tomorrow... watch this space! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 I am going to let it ride for now it is under torqued for sure, the wrench clicks at 22. But if this leak happens again then I will have to take more serious action such as described above. I removed the valve covers and put in new ARP studs to match the intake, I did not get the carb on today, that will happen tomorrow. I am going to install a spacer below the carb, was an impulse buy, please do not judge! However, the rear speakers are in and sound great.. the grills I have are for a truck not a bronco so they are smaller. I had to drill new holes to mount them but they fit and look fine. I haven’t painted them blue yet as I was not sure if they were going to work. I should get her running again tomorrow... watch this space! I'm waiting and watching! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gsmblue Posted March 12, 2020 Author Share Posted March 12, 2020 I'm waiting and watching! Hopefully I will not disappoint. Only potential issue is my friend is talking about going to the breakers yard tomorrow, so I may have to squeeze that in.. As soon as I get the mess cleaned up I will get some new pics too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gsmblue Posted March 13, 2020 Author Share Posted March 13, 2020 Hopefully I will not disappoint. Only potential issue is my friend is talking about going to the breakers yard tomorrow, so I may have to squeeze that in.. As soon as I get the mess cleaned up I will get some new pics too. And success! Got everything put back together. New ARP studs for the intake and valve covers. Spacer for the carb (mainly to give clearance over the GM dizzy!) kinda got the spark leads looking less crazy. All hoses back together. Now, not all went smooth. Someone, no names need to be mentioned, forgot to mark the rotor position in the dizzy 😵. So out came the remote 12v starter and a few blue words later the rotor was rotated 180degrees and Espy fired right up! So i closed the trunk and doors and went for a drive. I got to the end of the driveway, hit the brakes and remembered thise those vacuum lines needed to be out back on! I was going slow but still had to stand on that peddle! I also took the opportunity to dress up the front end a little, black paint on the drivers headlight surround and too grill trim piece . When the wife came home i said Espy was using het mascara and hoped it was ok... i got a smile! Will do the passenger side tomorrow . I got the timing light and adjusted the timing and idle, topped up the coolant, cleared the tools and went for a quick drive. All is well! Here are the 2 pics of the day.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1986F150Six Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 And success! Got everything put back together. New ARP studs for the intake and valve covers. Spacer for the carb (mainly to give clearance over the GM dizzy!) kinda got the spark leads looking less crazy. All hoses back together. Now, not all went smooth. Someone, no names need to be mentioned, forgot to mark the rotor position in the dizzy 😵. So out came the remote 12v starter and a few blue words later the rotor was rotated 180degrees and Espy fired right up! So i closed the trunk and doors and went for a drive. I got to the end of the driveway, hit the brakes and remembered thise those vacuum lines needed to be out back on! I was going slow but still had to stand on that peddle! I also took the opportunity to dress up the front end a little, black paint on the drivers headlight surround and too grill trim piece . When the wife came home i said Espy was using het mascara and hoped it was ok... i got a smile! Will do the passenger side tomorrow . I got the timing light and adjusted the timing and idle, topped up the coolant, cleared the tools and went for a quick drive. All is well! Here are the 2 pics of the day.. Looking very good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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