Gary Lewis Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Well, it's bright and early! Congratulations on a successful hunt! A freezer full of venison is money in the bank, and food on the table. The water plate looks good, but I'm sure you're going to be looking for a third arm to juggle the manifolds and a ratchet. So, I hope today goes smoothly for you! Yes, yes, Progress is GOOD! Congrat's on the hunt! Hope all goes as well today with the installation. Shoot a video so we can hear it run! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StraightSix Posted November 21, 2020 Author Share Posted November 21, 2020 Congrat's on the hunt! Hope all goes as well today with the installation. Shoot a video so we can hear it run! Thanks guys! I lm really looking forward to braised shanks! Well, its all put together I must have left the key in the on position and the transmission in reverse, my battery was totally dead. After recharging it for an hour or so I had enough juice to roll the starter for about 30 seconds. It never fired up. I do have the smell of gasoline in to tail pipe. All vacuum ports are plugged/hooked up except for two small ones. One of those is the vacuum advance to the distriutor, and the other is getting plugged. I just dont know which is which, my plan was to get is started and then see which one pulls vacuum at idle, plug it and then hook the vacuum advance to the other. I assume that the ignition system is good, it ran with the ignition exactly as it is now before I tore into everything. Im at a bit of a loss. I guess Ill double check the idle screws to see if they are about 1.5 turns out. Any ideas? Thanks guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpin Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Thanks guys! I lm really looking forward to braised shanks! Well, its all put together I must have left the key in the on position and the transmission in reverse, my battery was totally dead. After recharging it for an hour or so I had enough juice to roll the starter for about 30 seconds. It never fired up. I do have the smell of gasoline in to tail pipe. All vacuum ports are plugged/hooked up except for two small ones. One of those is the vacuum advance to the distriutor, and the other is getting plugged. I just dont know which is which, my plan was to get is started and then see which one pulls vacuum at idle, plug it and then hook the vacuum advance to the other. I assume that the ignition system is good, it ran with the ignition exactly as it is now before I tore into everything. Im at a bit of a loss. I guess Ill double check the idle screws to see if they are about 1.5 turns out. Any ideas? Thanks guys! Looks good! I would check for spark to be sure on the ignition system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StraightSix Posted November 21, 2020 Author Share Posted November 21, 2020 Looks good! I would check for spark to be sure on the ignition system. Thanks Grumpin! I took it off the wall charger and hooked it up to my truck with jumper cables, as well as making sure the idle mix screws were at 1.5 turns. Between all of that, it fired right up! I spent about 30 minutes diddling with the idle mix and the curb idle speed trying to get max vacuum at 650rpm or so. I got up to about 16.5-17 in hg. It idled fairly smooth like that. I believe I may have some slight intake leaks on the rear intake runners. Im going to let the engine cool and retorque all of the manifold nuts. Im sure that my timing could use some tuning but Ill have to wait for Monday to borrow a freinds timing light. I did take it for a quick run around the neighborhood. Im sure its not tuned for best drivability as Im a novice with a carberator, but there is a pretty good difference in how it drives. The best way to describe it is to say that its like having dropped a lightly loaded trailer after pulling it for a long time. It accelerates MUCH more readily from 1000rpm to 2000rpm. Didnt get it going much faster than that since Im not positive about A/F or tuning/timing. Im pleased, and Im sure that it will get even better as I get it sealed up and tuned. Anyone have any suggestions on how to upload a video? Ive never done it before. As always, thanks for all of your help! You guys have really moved this project ahead time wise and have also helped me with the confidence to do something like this in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Thanks Grumpin! I took it off the wall charger and hooked it up to my truck with jumper cables, as well as making sure the idle mix screws were at 1.5 turns. Between all of that, it fired right up! I spent about 30 minutes diddling with the idle mix and the curb idle speed trying to get max vacuum at 650rpm or so. I got up to about 16.5-17 in hg. It idled fairly smooth like that. I believe I may have some slight intake leaks on the rear intake runners. Im going to let the engine cool and retorque all of the manifold nuts. Im sure that my timing could use some tuning but Ill have to wait for Monday to borrow a freinds timing light. I did take it for a quick run around the neighborhood. Im sure its not tuned for best drivability as Im a novice with a carberator, but there is a pretty good difference in how it drives. The best way to describe it is to say that its like having dropped a lightly loaded trailer after pulling it for a long time. It accelerates MUCH more readily from 1000rpm to 2000rpm. Didnt get it going much faster than that since Im not positive about A/F or tuning/timing. Im pleased, and Im sure that it will get even better as I get it sealed up and tuned. Anyone have any suggestions on how to upload a video? Ive never done it before. As always, thanks for all of your help! You guys have really moved this project ahead time wise and have also helped me with the confidence to do something like this in the first place. Congrat's!!!!! That is SUCH a good feeling! And, glad to see that there is a noticeable difference. Those are the really fun projects. On the video, the easiest way I've found is to upload it to Youtube, get the "embed" code, come here and tick the "Message is in HTML Format" box, and paste the code in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpin Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Congrat's!!!!! That is SUCH a good feeling! And, glad to see that there is a noticeable difference. Those are the really fun projects. On the video, the easiest way I've found is to upload it to Youtube, get the "embed" code, come here and tick the "Message is in HTML Format" box, and paste the code in. That’s great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StraightSix Posted November 22, 2020 Author Share Posted November 22, 2020 Thanks Grumpin! I took it off the wall charger and hooked it up to my truck with jumper cables, as well as making sure the idle mix screws were at 1.5 turns. Between all of that, it fired right up! I spent about 30 minutes diddling with the idle mix and the curb idle speed trying to get max vacuum at 650rpm or so. I got up to about 16.5-17 in hg. It idled fairly smooth like that. I believe I may have some slight intake leaks on the rear intake runners. Im going to let the engine cool and retorque all of the manifold nuts. Im sure that my timing could use some tuning but Ill have to wait for Monday to borrow a freinds timing light. I did take it for a quick run around the neighborhood. Im sure its not tuned for best drivability as Im a novice with a carberator, but there is a pretty good difference in how it drives. The best way to describe it is to say that its like having dropped a lightly loaded trailer after pulling it for a long time. It accelerates MUCH more readily from 1000rpm to 2000rpm. Didnt get it going much faster than that since Im not positive about A/F or tuning/timing. Im pleased, and Im sure that it will get even better as I get it sealed up and tuned. Anyone have any suggestions on how to upload a video? Ive never done it before. As always, thanks for all of your help! You guys have really moved this project ahead time wise and have also helped me with the confidence to do something like this in the first place. Well, here is the end of day update- I got it to idle beautifly at about 700rpm and 18inHg bu adjusting the idle mix screws and the idle adjustment screw. I did all of this with the vacuum gage plugged in to the line that normally goes to my PCV. And ofcourse, after getting to idle so well at 700 I plugged that hose back into the PCV and it idles at 1000 now. I guess I should have known better. Now Im using the break booster line for the vac gage. Ive got it idling sorta rough at 900rpm+ and about 20inHg, but that is fluctuating by about 1 inHg because of the sorta rough idle. The idle adjustment screw seems to be out of useful travel. Turning the idle mix screws in slows the engine down but it gets even rougher. I guess Ill sleep and try this again tomorrow. In other news, my new exhaust is definitely hot enough to melt/burn up my E-choke wire if anyone was curious. Doh. In spite of some trouble, its running for the first time in weeks and I felt good enough about it to drive the 7 mile trip to town and back! I suppose there will always be more to do but it feels great to have it up and running again. My "custom" throttle bracket has some give to it and the pedal feel on the accelerator is a bit mushy, you have to put your foot in it a little deeper that before to get the "slack" out of all of the various throttle mechanisms. Its hard to say if its stumbling off idle or when I shift up a gear, or if its just not driving great off idle and at gear shifts because my foot is "mis-calibrated". Tomorrow may tell. Thanks guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdWrknTrk Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 Thanks Grumpin! I took it off the wall charger and hooked it up to my truck with jumper cables, as well as making sure the idle mix screws were at 1.5 turns. Between all of that, it fired right up! I spent about 30 minutes diddling with the idle mix and the curb idle speed trying to get max vacuum at 650rpm or so. I got up to about 16.5-17 in hg. It idled fairly smooth like that. I believe I may have some slight intake leaks on the rear intake runners. Im going to let the engine cool and retorque all of the manifold nuts. Im sure that my timing could use some tuning but Ill have to wait for Monday to borrow a freinds timing light. I did take it for a quick run around the neighborhood. Im sure its not tuned for best drivability as Im a novice with a carberator, but there is a pretty good difference in how it drives. The best way to describe it is to say that its like having dropped a lightly loaded trailer after pulling it for a long time. It accelerates MUCH more readily from 1000rpm to 2000rpm. Didnt get it going much faster than that since Im not positive about A/F or tuning/timing. Im pleased, and Im sure that it will get even better as I get it sealed up and tuned. Anyone have any suggestions on how to upload a video? Ive never done it before. As always, thanks for all of your help! You guys have really moved this project ahead time wise and have also helped me with the confidence to do something like this in the first place. So excited for you! And, as you said, it's only going to get better as the truck gets dialed in. 😉 Progress is good! 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 Well, here is the end of day update- I got it to idle beautifly at about 700rpm and 18inHg bu adjusting the idle mix screws and the idle adjustment screw. I did all of this with the vacuum gage plugged in to the line that normally goes to my PCV. And ofcourse, after getting to idle so well at 700 I plugged that hose back into the PCV and it idles at 1000 now. I guess I should have known better. Now Im using the break booster line for the vac gage. Ive got it idling sorta rough at 900rpm+ and about 20inHg, but that is fluctuating by about 1 inHg because of the sorta rough idle. The idle adjustment screw seems to be out of useful travel. Turning the idle mix screws in slows the engine down but it gets even rougher. I guess Ill sleep and try this again tomorrow. In other news, my new exhaust is definitely hot enough to melt/burn up my E-choke wire if anyone was curious. Doh. In spite of some trouble, its running for the first time in weeks and I felt good enough about it to drive the 7 mile trip to town and back! I suppose there will always be more to do but it feels great to have it up and running again. My "custom" throttle bracket has some give to it and the pedal feel on the accelerator is a bit mushy, you have to put your foot in it a little deeper that before to get the "slack" out of all of the various throttle mechanisms. Its hard to say if its stumbling off idle or when I shift up a gear, or if its just not driving great off idle and at gear shifts because my foot is "mis-calibrated". Tomorrow may tell. Thanks guys! As you've probably worked out, the PCV valve is a calibrated leak and you have to adjust the idle air/fuel mix to accommodate it. But now with it hooked up you have too much air and when you give it enough fuel to run correctly it idles too fast. That says you have a vacuum leak somewhere else. Maybe when you tighten up the intake bolts tomorrow it'll seal off? Anyway, congrat's!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StraightSix Posted November 22, 2020 Author Share Posted November 22, 2020 As you've probably worked out, the PCV valve is a calibrated leak and you have to adjust the idle air/fuel mix to accommodate it. But now with it hooked up you have too much air and when you give it enough fuel to run correctly it idles too fast. That says you have a vacuum leak somewhere else. Maybe when you tighten up the intake bolts tomorrow it'll seal off? Anyway, congrat's!!!! Gary, Im sure youre correct. I believe there may be a slight leak on the rear intake runners still. I know there is some air getting in through the barb to the intake from the break booster. Maybe some on the back face of the carb. In short, youre very likely right. If I had though a little harder I would have realized that I couldnt use the PCV hose. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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