Andre Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 Bronco is back on the road, except for the rims all is completed. Driving it now to find out if all was done correct. Noticed some issue's with steering column, but is all fixable. I read on the forum a lot of people change from the C6 automatic transmission to a different type. I might want to change this as well, including the 4 wheel 208 transmission. What are the best options, and will fit with the least amount of changes? Motor will be swapped to, but not planned for anything at this moment. First drive it some more. Enjoy the pictures of a Bullnose project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzFace2 Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 Nice looking truck well done So down the road what transmission, you said 4sp auto or stick?, & motor you looking to go with do you know yet? Dave ---- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 Andre - That is EXCELLENT! Well done! However, it would be nice to see those pics up closer. Are the picture file sizes so big you had to pic "Big" or something like that to get them uploaded? I can help you with that if you'd like. On the tranny, as Dave asked, do you want a manual or an auto? There were only two autos used in the Bullnose years, but later the E4OD was introduced. Here's some info on them: C6: This tranny is legendary. It was used behind the 460 and the diesel, and seems indestructible. However, it is poor on economy for at least two reasons - it has no overdrive and the torque converter is always slipping. AOD: This tranny was used on the smaller engines, but never on the 351W in the trucks. My guess is that it wasn't thought to be strong enough, but many people have used them behind the bigger engine and it will work if you take care. Or, if you have one built they can put stronger parts in them to stand up to a lot more power. The AOD was a nice design for the time as it has an overdrive gear and it bypasses the torque converter in overdrive. And it requires no electronics to run it. E4OD: This was the next evolution of automatic transmissions and came out in later trucks. It has both an overdrive and a lock-up torque converter. And, properly built, it'll stand up to plenty of power. But, it has two issues - first, it requires an electronic controller and those start at ~$750. Second, they are a whole lot longer than a C6, maybe 7", and you will have to shorten the rear drive shaft and lengthen the front one. Hope that helps. If you are interested in a manual we can discuss that as well as there are several options there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpin Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 Andre - That is EXCELLENT! Well done! However, it would be nice to see those pics up closer. Are the picture file sizes so big you had to pic "Big" or something like that to get them uploaded? I can help you with that if you'd like. On the tranny, as Dave asked, do you want a manual or an auto? There were only two autos used in the Bullnose years, but later the E4OD was introduced. Here's some info on them: C6: This tranny is legendary. It was used behind the 460 and the diesel, and seems indestructible. However, it is poor on economy for at least two reasons - it has no overdrive and the torque converter is always slipping. AOD: This tranny was used on the smaller engines, but never on the 351W in the trucks. My guess is that it wasn't thought to be strong enough, but many people have used them behind the bigger engine and it will work if you take care. Or, if you have one built they can put stronger parts in them to stand up to a lot more power. The AOD was a nice design for the time as it has an overdrive gear and it bypasses the torque converter in overdrive. And it requires no electronics to run it. E4OD: This was the next evolution of automatic transmissions and came out in later trucks. It has both an overdrive and a lock-up torque converter. And, properly built, it'll stand up to plenty of power. But, it has two issues - first, it requires an electronic controller and those start at ~$750. Second, they are a whole lot longer than a C6, maybe 7", and you will have to shorten the rear drive shaft and lengthen the front one. Hope that helps. If you are interested in a manual we can discuss that as well as there are several options there. Nice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre Posted September 19, 2020 Author Share Posted September 19, 2020 Andre - That is EXCELLENT! Well done! However, it would be nice to see those pics up closer. Are the picture file sizes so big you had to pic "Big" or something like that to get them uploaded? I can help you with that if you'd like. On the tranny, as Dave asked, do you want a manual or an auto? There were only two autos used in the Bullnose years, but later the E4OD was introduced. Here's some info on them: C6: This tranny is legendary. It was used behind the 460 and the diesel, and seems indestructible. However, it is poor on economy for at least two reasons - it has no overdrive and the torque converter is always slipping. AOD: This tranny was used on the smaller engines, but never on the 351W in the trucks. My guess is that it wasn't thought to be strong enough, but many people have used them behind the bigger engine and it will work if you take care. Or, if you have one built they can put stronger parts in them to stand up to a lot more power. The AOD was a nice design for the time as it has an overdrive gear and it bypasses the torque converter in overdrive. And it requires no electronics to run it. E4OD: This was the next evolution of automatic transmissions and came out in later trucks. It has both an overdrive and a lock-up torque converter. And, properly built, it'll stand up to plenty of power. But, it has two issues - first, it requires an electronic controller and those start at ~$750. Second, they are a whole lot longer than a C6, maybe 7", and you will have to shorten the rear drive shaft and lengthen the front one. Hope that helps. If you are interested in a manual we can discuss that as well as there are several options there. Thanks for the positive feedback. As the car was never driven before the restoration, I was told the engine and automatic transmission was in good shape. Driving it now, it does seem to be in bad shape, the engine knocks after 2500 rpm, sounds like a bearing is in bad shape, and C6 transmission shifts with big bangs, and I can feel it when in idle at a traffic light. So there are two options, I overhaul both completely, but still remain with horrible fuel consumption, or take for example a newer engine with different automatic transmission, either from a donor F150 or Raptor. What is wise, to spend another fortune on newer donor parts and making it work, or rebuild what I have? I will post some bigger pictures when the rims are done, as that will make the car complete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 Thanks for the positive feedback. As the car was never driven before the restoration, I was told the engine and automatic transmission was in good shape. Driving it now, it does seem to be in bad shape, the engine knocks after 2500 rpm, sounds like a bearing is in bad shape, and C6 transmission shifts with big bangs, and I can feel it when in idle at a traffic light. So there are two options, I overhaul both completely, but still remain with horrible fuel consumption, or take for example a newer engine with different automatic transmission, either from a donor F150 or Raptor. What is wise, to spend another fortune on newer donor parts and making it work, or rebuild what I have? I will post some bigger pictures when the rims are done, as that will make the car complete. Andre - I think your question of "What is wise" is perhaps posed to the wrong people. By definition all who enter here have a problem, and asking us for "wisdom" isn't wise. Ok, let me get real, if not serious. The question back to you is what you want to do with the truck? Do you want it to be serviceable for many years? Are you wanting it to be less of a pig for fuel? (Notice that I didn't ask if you want it to be economical, as that's not going to happen. ) In my case I'm in the latter part of my wrenching days and I'm building vehicles that my offspring, who are not mechanics, can have maintained. So both of my trucks are intended to have Ford's EEC-V EFI system with OBD-II ports. And when you plug in a scanner you will be told it is a 1996 truck, and the EEC will tell you what's ailing it. But that is an expensive way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rembrant Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 Looks great. Love the ride height and tires. What is the wheel and tire combo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sac79 Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 Thanks for the positive feedback. As the car was never driven before the restoration, I was told the engine and automatic transmission was in good shape. Driving it now, it does seem to be in bad shape, the engine knocks after 2500 rpm, sounds like a bearing is in bad shape, and C6 transmission shifts with big bangs, and I can feel it when in idle at a traffic light. So there are two options, I overhaul both completely, but still remain with horrible fuel consumption, or take for example a newer engine with different automatic transmission, either from a donor F150 or Raptor. What is wise, to spend another fortune on newer donor parts and making it work, or rebuild what I have? I will post some bigger pictures when the rims are done, as that will make the car complete. Paint looks great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkF100 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Beautiful job! Love Broncos. Yours is amongst the sharpest. I really love the color. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre Posted September 20, 2020 Author Share Posted September 20, 2020 Looks great. Love the ride height and tires. What is the wheel and tire combo? Rembrant, Tires are BF Goodrich 32X11.50R15, car is stock height, only the new coil springs in the front have one winding more, keeping the car more level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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