kramttocs Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 I found a condensor at PepBoys. It's a crossflow type, but listed for the '84. I'm going to pull my original condensor and take it with me on Monday to compare with the new part and bring it home if it fits or is close enough that making it fit won't be a big deal. I'm going to take my new hoses with me to check the connections. My original is good and I could flush it but I'd feel better replacing every component and the condenser is the last one standing. Mark Great! Make sure to let us know the part number if it does. I've attached a document that I put together for the return of one of the failed tries on mine. The diagram was from their site and is correct for what is needed but the one I received is the same one I found everywhere else. Some differences don't matter but note the side one where the port is lower and hits the core support. That was the big one and what causes some people to space the bottom out towards the grill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullnoseLuvr Posted August 1, 2020 Author Share Posted August 1, 2020 Great! Make sure to let us know the part number if it does. I've attached a document that I put together for the return of one of the failed tries on mine. The diagram was from their site and is correct for what is needed but the one I received is the same one I found everywhere else. Some differences don't matter but note the side one where the port is lower and hits the core support. That was the big one and what causes some people to space the bottom out towards the grill. This drawing looks like the OEM serpent style condenser on the older trucks. You can ID it by the tubing loops on the sides. It's one long tube snaking through the vanes. The later part is like a cross-flow radiator with a tank on each side with parallel tubes, so the refrigerant travels the length of many shorter individual tubes versus traveling the entire length of a serpentine tube. I don't know why they did this but I read on another forum that it's more efficient. I have no idea if that's true or if the changeover coincided with and is related to the change to R134a or if the evolution in design was coming anyway. The picture on the PepBoys site shows the parallel tube design but who knows. I'll find out on Monday. Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kramttocs Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 This drawing looks like the OEM serpent style condenser on the older trucks. You can ID it by the tubing loops on the sides. It's one long tube snaking through the vanes. The later part is like a cross-flow radiator with a tank on each side with parallel tubes, so the refrigerant travels the length of many shorter individual tubes versus traveling the entire length of a serpentine tube. I don't know why they did this but I read on another forum that it's more efficient. I have no idea if that's true or if the changeover coincided with and is related to the change to R134a or if the evolution in design was coming anyway. The picture on the PepBoys site shows the parallel tube design but who knows. I'll find out on Monday. Mark That's correct. I've read that the newer style is superior as it has more surface area with the only drawback being that it can't be effectively flushed. Well that and the fact that I couldn't find one that really fit. Hopefully the pepboys one will be the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzFace2 Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 That's correct. I've read that the newer style is superior as it has more surface area with the only drawback being that it can't be effectively flushed. Well that and the fact that I couldn't find one that really fit. Hopefully the pepboys one will be the answer. The problem is they used the same part number for both types of condensers. So when you call or return it they get you the same part number and you end up with the same part. It really is not that hard to space the bottom out, that is all I had to do, to make it "bolt in". Besides once installed and the grille back in you will never see it is spaced out at the bottom. Hoses hooked up as they should and has been working fine for a few days now as I just got my system up and running. Dave ---- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullnoseLuvr Posted August 2, 2020 Author Share Posted August 2, 2020 The problem is they used the same part number for both types of condensers. So when you call or return it they get you the same part number and you end up with the same part. It really is not that hard to space the bottom out, that is all I had to do, to make it "bolt in". Besides once installed and the grille back in you will never see it is spaced out at the bottom. Hoses hooked up as they should and has been working fine for a few days now as I just got my system up and running. Dave ---- Yes and so I wonder if it's just a crapshoot if you get the serpentine or crossflow. Anyway, my original serpentine is good and it can be flushed, but if I get a real performance gain from a crossflow I'm okay withe the mods to make it fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old55pete Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Yes and so I wonder if it's just a crapshoot if you get the serpentine or crossflow. Anyway, my original serpentine is good and it can be flushed, but if I get a real performance gain from a crossflow I'm okay withe the mods to make it fit. The Napa part number for the condenser is MO1K100055 and they have plenty of them in stock. You were looking for opinions about which style is better, and there is a lot of pros and cons about both of them. The biggest pro for me for the serpentine style condenser is that if you blow or lock up a compressor is that it can be flushed out. The radiator style cant be flushed out and under the same conditions, it would have to be replaced to keep from contamanating your new compressor with left over shrapnal from your old compressor. Just my humble opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullnoseLuvr Posted August 3, 2020 Author Share Posted August 3, 2020 The Napa part number for the condenser is MO1K100055 and they have plenty of them in stock. You were looking for opinions about which style is better, and there is a lot of pros and cons about both of them. The biggest pro for me for the serpentine style condenser is that if you blow or lock up a compressor is that it can be flushed out. The radiator style cant be flushed out and under the same conditions, it would have to be replaced to keep from contamanating your new compressor with left over shrapnal from your old compressor. Just my humble opinion. Those are exactly the pros and cons I'm considering. It would be nice to be able to flush it, but I'd like the most performance I can get. Since I'm replacing the entire system I'm hoping that it'll outlast me, since I'm sixty. We'll see. Pep Boys was closed when I got there so I won't be picking up my condenser until tomorrow. News then. Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzFace2 Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 The Napa part number for the condenser is MO1K100055 and they have plenty of them in stock. You were looking for opinions about which style is better, and there is a lot of pros and cons about both of them. The biggest pro for me for the serpentine style condenser is that if you blow or lock up a compressor is that it can be flushed out. The radiator style cant be flushed out and under the same conditions, it would have to be replaced to keep from contamanating your new compressor with left over shrapnal from your old compressor. Just my humble opinion. What year truck was that for? If for the 80 - 86 trucks check to see what the 87 - 90 takes. Tell them to order in 3 and check what type it is and I bet you will only find the later type that will also need to be spaced out. As was said they used the same part number for all of them so you cant tell by the part number. Good luck Dave ---- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kramttocs Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 The Napa part number for the condenser is MO1K100055 and they have plenty of them in stock. You were looking for opinions about which style is better, and there is a lot of pros and cons about both of them. The biggest pro for me for the serpentine style condenser is that if you blow or lock up a compressor is that it can be flushed out. The radiator style cant be flushed out and under the same conditions, it would have to be replaced to keep from contamanating your new compressor with left over shrapnal from your old compressor. Just my humble opinion. What year truck was that for? If for the 80 - 86 trucks check to see what the 87 - 90 takes. Tell them to order in 3 and check what type it is and I bet you will only find the later type that will also need to be spaced out. As was said they used the same part number for all of them so you cant tell by the part number. Good luck Dave ---- Here is a good read if one wants to go with the newer style (which like Dave said, I am betting one will get if they order new regardless of the part number): https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1522843-how-to-and-product-review-spectra-ac-condenser.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old55pete Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 The Napa part number for the condenser is MO1K100055 and they have plenty of them in stock. You were looking for opinions about which style is better, and there is a lot of pros and cons about both of them. The biggest pro for me for the serpentine style condenser is that if you blow or lock up a compressor is that it can be flushed out. The radiator style cant be flushed out and under the same conditions, it would have to be replaced to keep from contamanating your new compressor with left over shrapnal from your old compressor. Just my humble opinion. What year truck was that for? If for the 80 - 86 trucks check to see what the 87 - 90 takes. Tell them to order in 3 and check what type it is and I bet you will only find the later type that will also need to be spaced out. As was said they used the same part number for all of them so you cant tell by the part number. Good luck Dave ---- The listings are for two different condensers, MO1K100055, serpentine style and NCR NC 3605B is the radiator stile. I will still add that I like the serpentine stile better because it is re-usable. I also think that the serpentine type, that the freon stays in it longer and there for would transfer more heat and better condense the freon better. Again, just my humble opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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