kramttocs Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 That is awesome! Thanks! Yes, those fastener details are going to be very handy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdWrknTrk Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 Yes, those fastener details are going to be very handy! I've already ordered a box of 25 of the black phosphate 6.0x1x22.5 type 11 screws as most of the ones in the front of my truck are rusty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdWrknTrk Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 I've already ordered a box of 25 of the black phosphate 6.0x1x22.5 type 11 screws as most of the ones in the front of my truck are rusty. Funny they have a 1/4 screw in a #12 clip nut. 1/4" should be #14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted May 4, 2020 Author Share Posted May 4, 2020 Funny they have a 1/4 screw in a #12 clip nut. 1/4" should be #14 Funny story, Jim. The absolute best time I had in school was when at the age of 60 I went back for lathe and mill schooling. I had a huge list of questions stored up when class started, including one about #14 screws. I actually had a #14 tap but couldn't find anything in our text book about it so asked the instructor. He said there wasn't such an animal, and before I could say "I have one" the guy in the front row said "Then why does that chart behind you have it listed?" I wrote my research paper on fasteners and learned that there was a whole lot of consolidation of fastener sizes during the late 1800's and early 1900's. Forgetting what other countries had, the US had a different set of fastener sizes for each industry. So as things standardized some sizes were left off. And the #14 fasteners were one of those. Almost but not quite the same as 1/4", and we didn't need both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdWrknTrk Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 Funny story, Jim. The absolute best time I had in school was when at the age of 60 I went back for lathe and mill schooling. I had a huge list of questions stored up when class started, including one about #14 screws. I actually had a #14 tap but couldn't find anything in our text book about it so asked the instructor. He said there wasn't such an animal, and before I could say "I have one" the guy in the front row said "Then why does that chart behind you have it listed?" I wrote my research paper on fasteners and learned that there was a whole lot of consolidation of fastener sizes during the late 1800's and early 1900's. Forgetting what other countries had, the US had a different set of fastener sizes for each industry. So as things standardized some sizes were left off. And the #14 fasteners were one of those. Almost but not quite the same as 1/4", and we didn't need both. Right. And we have #10 but no 3/16. For me, in my trades, it's a very specific 12-24 undercut flat (wafer) head screw that is required for fire doors in metal jambs. I used to buy these by the gross, when I went to the industrial supply that I knew stocked them. Sadly when the industry went away so did they. When was the last time you bought a box of 144 of anything???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted May 4, 2020 Author Share Posted May 4, 2020 Right. And we have #10 but no 3/16. For me, in my trades, it's a very specific 12-24 undercut flat (wafer) head screw that is required for fire doors in metal jambs. I used to buy these by the gross, when I went to the industrial supply that I knew stocked them. Sadly when the industry went away so did they. When was the last time you bought a box of 144 of anything???? Don't remember buying 144 of anything for a long, long time. I remember getting that many 1/4-20 G2 bolts long ago and discovering G2's are way too soft for most things. Took forever to use them up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdWrknTrk Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 Don't remember buying 144 of anything for a long, long time. I remember getting that many 1/4-20 G2 bolts long ago and discovering G2's are way too soft for most things. Took forever to use them up. The only thing I can buy a dozen dozen of now is acid brushes at the plumbing supply. Grade 2, what were you thinking??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted May 4, 2020 Author Share Posted May 4, 2020 The only thing I can buy a dozen dozen of now is acid brushes at the plumbing supply. Grade 2, what were you thinking??? I wasn't thinking. I didn't know about different fastener grades. Don't think Dad knew, so I didn't learn it until during that project. Bought a full-sized Chevy van that was open and empty behind the second seat and created a raised platform using angle, plywood, and 1/4" fasteners. The platform was covered in carpet matching that of the rest of the van, and a mattress was on top of it. I learned pretty quickly that a G2 1/4-20 is SOOOOOFT. I twisted several of them off as I was building that thing. And this was long before I got air impacts and long before battery-powered ones that worked, so it was all by hand. But I don't think I've purchased a G2 fastener since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
85lebaront2 Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 I wasn't thinking. I didn't know about different fastener grades. Don't think Dad knew, so I didn't learn it until during that project. Bought a full-sized Chevy van that was open and empty behind the second seat and created a raised platform using angle, plywood, and 1/4" fasteners. The platform was covered in carpet matching that of the rest of the van, and a mattress was on top of it. I learned pretty quickly that a G2 1/4-20 is SOOOOOFT. I twisted several of them off as I was building that thing. And this was long before I got air impacts and long before battery-powered ones that worked, so it was all by hand. But I don't think I've purchased a G2 fastener since. The only thing I use Gr 2 for is to make guide pins for installing 460 intake manifolds if the original studs are missing or damaged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted May 12, 2020 Author Share Posted May 12, 2020 The only thing I use Gr 2 for is to make guide pins for installing 460 intake manifolds if the original studs are missing or damaged. Today I added 9 pages to the site, all provided in Documentation/Literature/ by the following: Shaun/salans7: Miscellaneous/1995 F-Series Brochure Miscellaneous/1996 F-Series Brochure Clifton/Cliftonk: 1980/1980 Interior & Exterior Colors 1982/1982 Exterior Colors 1984/1984 Exterior Colors 1985/1985 Exterior Colors 1986/1986 Exterior Colors Edward Michael: 1981/The 21 MPG Pickup 1981/21 MPG & 2530 Load Clifton - The '84 brochure is too large for my scanner so I'll take it to my friendly scanning people, soon. Thanks, guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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