Rusty_S85 Posted May 14, 2020 Author Share Posted May 14, 2020 Post some pics of the throttle body and some measurements if you can. My 5.8 HO aircleaner cleared my Fitech throttle body perfectly and can compare your measurements to my aircleaner You've got a 5.0 right? Would be super cool if a 5.0 HO dual snorkel air cleaner fit Yep I have a 5.0, engine I am trying to build to replace my 5.0 is a real 5.0 (306 cid). I would love to do the dual snorkel and there are quite a few on ebay. Problem is I have dealer AC and my York compressor is right where the other snorkel comes out at. This is how my truck is laid out under the hood. I guess I could run a dual snorkel setup on my truck, would have to relocate the pcv filter though to the passenger side I think which would put the pcv filter on the driver side front which would require me to get a pcv filter cap so I can easily fill my engine with oil Would have to relocate my plans for my fuse/relay box mounting as I would have to source another fresh air duct and place it on the driver side. I have to check I believe the hole is already there on the driver side. As far as the throttle body goes, I believe it is the same dimensions as a Holley 4150 carb. If I knew without a doubt the dual snorkel cleaner would fit I would consider investing the $150 - $200 for the aircleaner and clean it up and make it work. I just have to be sure. I also will have to look up the part number for the duct that bolts to the core support as I will have to pick up one to put on the driver side. I would also have to pick up another Hedman hot air duct to connect to the driver side header tube so both snorkels can pull warm air for cold weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty_S85 Posted May 14, 2020 Author Share Posted May 14, 2020 Yep I have a 5.0, engine I am trying to build to replace my 5.0 is a real 5.0 (306 cid). I would love to do the dual snorkel and there are quite a few on ebay. Problem is I have dealer AC and my York compressor is right where the other snorkel comes out at. This is how my truck is laid out under the hood. I guess I could run a dual snorkel setup on my truck, would have to relocate the pcv filter though to the passenger side I think which would put the pcv filter on the driver side front which would require me to get a pcv filter cap so I can easily fill my engine with oil Would have to relocate my plans for my fuse/relay box mounting as I would have to source another fresh air duct and place it on the driver side. I have to check I believe the hole is already there on the driver side. As far as the throttle body goes, I believe it is the same dimensions as a Holley 4150 carb. If I knew without a doubt the dual snorkel cleaner would fit I would consider investing the $150 - $200 for the aircleaner and clean it up and make it work. I just have to be sure. I also will have to look up the part number for the duct that bolts to the core support as I will have to pick up one to put on the driver side. I would also have to pick up another Hedman hot air duct to connect to the driver side header tube so both snorkels can pull warm air for cold weather. I forgot I don't have to buy another core support duct. When I built that '82 F150 with the 5.0 Coyote engine I robbed that piece off and I believe I kept it and have it put up. Problem is though I don't know if there is one specifically for the driver side, if there is then I would want to go with that instead. On the mustang dual snorkel, it will fit a 4150 carb but it seems '83 - '85 fit but the 82 - 83 are iffy. Shame I didn't get turned on this sooner cause that 2012 forum post cited the going rate is $100 for them. The ones on ebay are $125 cheapest but then shipping is another $125 with some $40 tax. Too much for an air cleaner in my eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty_S85 Posted May 14, 2020 Author Share Posted May 14, 2020 The later fuel system with the Fuel Delivery Modules, which contain the pump, sender, and valving, is a better system. And when I get my Arduino computer system built it'll translate from that sender to the Bullnose gauge. Anyway, I'm following this thread..... Hey Gary, I been reading your post over on fte on the dual snorkel air cleaner. You got any suggestions? I have the OE air cleaner for my truck should be a E1TZ-9600-AJ, and that's what I bought off ebay NOS at least that's what the box says but the air filter in the box has a decal that says E3TZ-9600-TA and I don't know what it goes to so now I am looking at air cleaners. You think a dual snorkel would work on my setup with a York compressor? You think it could clear the Ford Racing slant roof valve covers I have as shown below? Or do you have any suggestions for shrinking the size of the base of the NOS air cleaner I currently have so it would actually fit the sniper stealth like my OE air cleaner does? Realistically I don't need to run a dual snorkel and frankly I don't really need a fresh air intake in the first place running fuel injection but I kind of like the OE stock look. My only other option I thought of was picking up an air cleaner such as this one. Then I can use it to attach to this fiberglass hood which I kind of like the look of over the cowl hood but not too sure how it looks from the rear which is what I will see driving the truck daily. Something I will have to think about because I don't know which way I want to go. I do have a NOS air cleaner minus snorkel and I don't mind fabricating up a driver side fresh air duct and I can pick up another Hedman headers stove for the snorkel like I already bought one for the passengerside to make it functional. I just don't know how well it will clear my York compressor let alone how high it will sit above my aftermarket valve covers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 Is your NOS air cleaner for a VV? They have a larger air cleaner opening. Yes, post pics and measurements. Gotta see this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty_S85 Posted May 14, 2020 Author Share Posted May 14, 2020 Yes, post pics and measurements. Gotta see this. Will do, Ill be pulling the Sniper Stealth out tomorrow after work and get better photos and snap some photos with a rule near by as well as take measurements. I kind of got discouraged and boxed it back up after I found out my NOS air cleaner isn't right and wouldn't even fit but carb and now I am back on the hunt for an air cleaner. Wont lie I felt like sending the EFI back but then I realized why? even if I send it back I am still in the same boat of having an air cleaner that wont fit a carb as its a bigger base than the 5 1/8" the holley sniper is set up for which is the same size neck on the 2150 2V ford carbs and on the 4V ford carbs. that's why I am shocked on the aircleaner having a larger base unless its for some TBI fuel injection it is a '83 dated part number. But none the less I am impressed with the quality of it and it does in fact have the C4/C6 ford kick down linkage so it will work with automatic transmissions which is good for me I can use my 2" I think it is holley kick down extension to make a 2V kick down rod work with a 4V. Only thing I may upgrade on my sniper is I might pick up the extension for the linkage I have to get it all put together and see how much effort it takes. I do plan on keeping my OE cruise control so I want a nice smooth throttle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 Will do, Ill be pulling the Sniper Stealth out tomorrow after work and get better photos and snap some photos with a rule near by as well as take measurements. I kind of got discouraged and boxed it back up after I found out my NOS air cleaner isn't right and wouldn't even fit but carb and now I am back on the hunt for an air cleaner. Wont lie I felt like sending the EFI back but then I realized why? even if I send it back I am still in the same boat of having an air cleaner that wont fit a carb as its a bigger base than the 5 1/8" the holley sniper is set up for which is the same size neck on the 2150 2V ford carbs and on the 4V ford carbs. that's why I am shocked on the aircleaner having a larger base unless its for some TBI fuel injection it is a '83 dated part number. But none the less I am impressed with the quality of it and it does in fact have the C4/C6 ford kick down linkage so it will work with automatic transmissions which is good for me I can use my 2" I think it is holley kick down extension to make a 2V kick down rod work with a 4V. Only thing I may upgrade on my sniper is I might pick up the extension for the linkage I have to get it all put together and see how much effort it takes. I do plan on keeping my OE cruise control so I want a nice smooth throttle. So your air cleaner has a larger opening than the Sniper? Then why not make an a adapter? A simple piece of aluminum cut into a doughnut with the ID being for the Sniper and the OD for the air cleaner? I've done it before, and it works. In fact, get me accurate dimensions and send me a piece of aluminum and I'll send it back to you cut to size. I'm thinking a piece of 1/4" would be about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty_S85 Posted May 14, 2020 Author Share Posted May 14, 2020 So your air cleaner has a larger opening than the Sniper? Then why not make an a adapter? A simple piece of aluminum cut into a doughnut with the ID being for the Sniper and the OD for the air cleaner? I've done it before, and it works. In fact, get me accurate dimensions and send me a piece of aluminum and I'll send it back to you cut to size. I'm thinking a piece of 1/4" would be about right. The OE one off my truck is the exact size. the NOS one I bought that I just found out was reboxed and the box number doesn't match the sticker on the aircleaner, it is a larger diameter. I am not sure how much but its enough that the air cleaner when you move it to the edge on one side there is a good gap on the other side. If you try and center it, there is a slight sliver of light you can see. Im starting to think if I could maybe take a hammer and a dowel and roll the aircleaner lip inwards slightly. Before I leave work today I am going to pop the hood on that 84 F150 with the 351w under the hood and see if that aircleaner is all broken up or not, if its not I might just rob it off the truck then play stupid if the boss wonders what happens to the aircleaner months later. But none the less I will try to measure the aircleaner to get some comparisons going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 The OE one off my truck is the exact size. the NOS one I bought that I just found out was reboxed and the box number doesn't match the sticker on the aircleaner, it is a larger diameter. I am not sure how much but its enough that the air cleaner when you move it to the edge on one side there is a good gap on the other side. If you try and center it, there is a slight sliver of light you can see. Im starting to think if I could maybe take a hammer and a dowel and roll the aircleaner lip inwards slightly. Before I leave work today I am going to pop the hood on that 84 F150 with the 351w under the hood and see if that aircleaner is all broken up or not, if its not I might just rob it off the truck then play stupid if the boss wonders what happens to the aircleaner months later. But none the less I will try to measure the aircleaner to get some comparisons going. If the air cleaners are breaking then you probably have the 2bbl version. The HO versions are much stronger and I've never seen one break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty_S85 Posted May 15, 2020 Author Share Posted May 15, 2020 If the air cleaners are breaking then you probably have the 2bbl version. The HO versions are much stronger and I've never seen one break. Yep, mine is a 2V, the one on the truck at work that I didn't check cause I decided to fabricate the NOS one I have to work is a 4V. The NOS unit I have labeled as E3TZ-9600-TA has a bare aluminum base with a black painted lid. I didn't measure the airfilter itself or the aircleaner itself but I measured the mounting neck and it is right on 5 9/16". I also measured the sniper which measuring at the smallest point it is exactly 5" and if I measure to outside edge it is 5 1/2" which means 5 1/8" would be ideal. Photos below shows the airfilter will fit but it is very close to the edge. Im thinking about making a 5" circle to fit the throttle body fairly snug and have the adapter come out to 5 5/8" which would put it slightly larger than the aircleaner I have. I would then have to custom fit it on the engine stand when I get to that point to make locating pins to locate the aircleaner to the adapter to make it fit only one way and not move around. I think that is about the only way to get it right. If I stick with this air cleaner I really want to try and locate a NOS snorkel cause I am seriously contemplating painting the bare aluminum base. Maybe paint it engine blue or maybe just paint it a satin black. Not sure about the lid if I want to leave the lid black or strip it. This is the air cleaner sitting centered on the carb it is just barely fitting and you can see how far away it is from the inner most ring. This is the aircleaner shifted all the way to one side showing the amount of air leak I would have if it shifted on me while driving. And this is a close up of the C4/C6 linkage that is locked in place by the silver screw. Now onto the juicy details on the 4150 Sniper Stealth. Height : 3 1/4" Length : 11 1/4" Width : 8 1/8" Air filter Flange : 5" to 5 1/2" Flange Style : 4150 CFM : 870 Max HP : 650 NA Map Sensor : 2 Bar Inlet/Outlet : 3/4-16 Female O-ring Injector Size : 100 Lb/Hr @ 58.5 PSI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 Yep, mine is a 2V, the one on the truck at work that I didn't check cause I decided to fabricate the NOS one I have to work is a 4V. The NOS unit I have labeled as E3TZ-9600-TA has a bare aluminum base with a black painted lid. I didn't measure the airfilter itself or the aircleaner itself but I measured the mounting neck and it is right on 5 9/16". I also measured the sniper which measuring at the smallest point it is exactly 5" and if I measure to outside edge it is 5 1/2" which means 5 1/8" would be ideal. Photos below shows the airfilter will fit but it is very close to the edge. Im thinking about making a 5" circle to fit the throttle body fairly snug and have the adapter come out to 5 5/8" which would put it slightly larger than the aircleaner I have. I would then have to custom fit it on the engine stand when I get to that point to make locating pins to locate the aircleaner to the adapter to make it fit only one way and not move around. I think that is about the only way to get it right. If I stick with this air cleaner I really want to try and locate a NOS snorkel cause I am seriously contemplating painting the bare aluminum base. Maybe paint it engine blue or maybe just paint it a satin black. Not sure about the lid if I want to leave the lid black or strip it. This is the air cleaner sitting centered on the carb it is just barely fitting and you can see how far away it is from the inner most ring. This is the aircleaner shifted all the way to one side showing the amount of air leak I would have if it shifted on me while driving. And this is a close up of the C4/C6 linkage that is locked in place by the silver screw. Now onto the juicy details on the 4150 Sniper Stealth. Height : 3 1/4" Length : 11 1/4" Width : 8 1/8" Air filter Flange : 5" to 5 1/2" Flange Style : 4150 CFM : 870 Max HP : 650 NA Map Sensor : 2 Bar Inlet/Outlet : 3/4-16 Female O-ring Injector Size : 100 Lb/Hr @ 58.5 PSI I'm with you on everything but the locating pins. I got lost there. Are they for keeping the air cleaner from being installed at the wrong angle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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