1986F150Six Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 I'm using Chrome on my Windows devices, but Safari on my iPhone. However, I just tried Chrome on my phone and it shows the whole menu. Maybe try another browser? I am late to this party... my son's 1984 with feedback system was "born" without a tachometer. I removed an instrument cluster from a V8 truck and was afraid to fool with the printed circuit, so swapped my son's gauges into the tachometer cluster rather than swapping just the tach. It was plug and play and the tachometer worked. All four of the tachometer terminals were left intact. I suspect that there is a wiring fault [ground]? I believe that even if both ground terminals [G & 8] of the tachometer were grounded, the tach would still work, but incorrect scale. I suggest you remove the tachometer and temporarily run wires to the terminals. I have done this under the hood. Run a ground wire to the "G". Run a wire to the coil [green wire] and connect to "Sig". Connect a wire from the "B" to a 12 volt source. Fire up the engine and see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdWrknTrk Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 I am late to this party... my son's 1984 with feedback system was "born" without a tachometer. I removed an instrument cluster from a V8 truck and was afraid to fool with the printed circuit, so swapped my son's gauges into the tachometer cluster rather than swapping just the tach. It was plug and play and the tachometer worked. All four of the tachometer terminals were left intact. I suspect that there is a wiring fault [ground]? I believe that even if both ground terminals [G & 8] of the tachometer were grounded, the tach would still work, but incorrect scale. I suggest you remove the tachometer and temporarily run wires to the terminals. I have done this under the hood. Run a ground wire to the "G". Run a wire to the coil [green wire] and connect to "Sig". Connect a wire from the "B" to a 12 volt source. Fire up the engine and see what happens. You're correct. Grounding "8" will only make it read wrong, it won't damage the instrument. With a 300 there are only three connections we need to know about. Now we do, and we know where they go. I think Gary is right. If the harnii aren't rat chewed, that single connector is the likely suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefraze_1020 Posted May 21, 2020 Author Share Posted May 21, 2020 You're correct. Grounding "8" will only make it read wrong, it won't damage the instrument. With a 300 there are only three connections we need to know about. Now we do, and we know where they go. I think Gary is right. If the harnii aren't rat chewed, that single connector is the likely suspect. I currently have the nut off the "8" terminal post because I was under the impression it should be disconnected for a 6 cylinder. However, I should mention that the tach cluster showed exposure to moisture, with a few spots of corrosion on the ribbon circuit, and the terminal nuts that came on it were rusty. Is it possible that the nuts being rusty is not allowing a good connection? If so, should I get new nuts for the back of the cluster and try again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefraze_1020 Posted May 21, 2020 Author Share Posted May 21, 2020 I currently have the nut off the "8" terminal post because I was under the impression it should be disconnected for a 6 cylinder. However, I should mention that the tach cluster showed exposure to moisture, with a few spots of corrosion on the ribbon circuit, and the terminal nuts that came on it were rusty. Is it possible that the nuts being rusty is not allowing a good connection? If so, should I get new nuts for the back of the cluster and try again? 1986F150Six, are you saying I should unplug the green wire from the connector on the fender, then hook an alligator clip from it to the "sig" post of the tach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdWrknTrk Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 I currently have the nut off the "8" terminal post because I was under the impression it should be disconnected for a 6 cylinder. However, I should mention that the tach cluster showed exposure to moisture, with a few spots of corrosion on the ribbon circuit, and the terminal nuts that came on it were rusty. Is it possible that the nuts being rusty is not allowing a good connection? If so, should I get new nuts for the back of the cluster and try again? I don't think it would make a difference. The copper trace making contact with the base of the stud is what matters. Can you check ground and hot in run? Can you look at the #169 connector Gary pointed out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefraze_1020 Posted May 21, 2020 Author Share Posted May 21, 2020 I don't think it would make a difference. The copper trace making contact with the base of the stud is what matters. Can you check ground and hot in run? Can you look at the #169 connector Gary pointed out? I'm working today, but I will have the next three days off. So, I will pull the cluster, remove the tach and test it under the hood. Then I will check the C169 connector, and verify when I reinstall the tach that the terminal posts are making contact with the coppee trace. I thought that the connection went from the trace, through the nuts to the posts. Thats why I was asking about the nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1986F150Six Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 1986F150Six, are you saying I should unplug the green wire from the connector on the fender, then hook an alligator clip from it to the "sig" post of the tach? I was describing my way of testing a tachometer before the installation. Wiring directly to the terminals, without any part of the original circuitry being used, will prove if the tachometer is a working unit. Way, way back, on another forum, a guy wanted to add a factory tachometer. He hardwired the tachometer as I previously detailed because the printed circuit [ribbon] he had was from a truck w/o factory tachometer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefraze_1020 Posted May 23, 2020 Author Share Posted May 23, 2020 1986F150Six, are you saying I should unplug the green wire from the connector on the fender, then hook an alligator clip from it to the "sig" post of the tach? I was describing my way of testing a tachometer before the installation. Wiring directly to the terminals, without any part of the original circuitry being used, will prove if the tachometer is a working unit. Way, way back, on another forum, a guy wanted to add a factory tachometer. He hardwired the tachometer as I previously detailed because the printed circuit [ribbon] he had was from a truck w/o factory tachometer. I did most of the work on the clock, radio and tach last Tuesday. The following are some pictures from that. The first one is an overview of my wrecking yard goodies: The first thing I did was remove the dash pad to rewire the digital clock pigtail: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefraze_1020 Posted May 23, 2020 Author Share Posted May 23, 2020 I did most of the work on the clock, radio and tach last Tuesday. The following are some pictures from that. The first one is an overview of my wrecking yard goodies: The first thing I did was remove the dash pad to rewire the digital clock pigtail: Next I set to work disassembling both instrument clusters, swapping my gauges into the tach cluster from the wrecking yard, and reassembling: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefraze_1020 Posted May 23, 2020 Author Share Posted May 23, 2020 Next I set to work disassembling both instrument clusters, swapping my gauges into the tach cluster from the wrecking yard, and reassembling: As I mentioned, at that time the tach was not working, but all of the other gauges were. Yesterday, one of my buddies came over and experimented to try to fix the tach. The first thing I did was unplug the C169 connector on the driver's side inner fender. I then hooked up my multimeter to a ground (brake line coming out of the master cylinder has served as a good ground for me), and the positive lead to the green wire on the coil side of the connector. We started the engine up and I had about 13.5 volts to connector C169. So, the wiring that far was good. I then assumed it was a cluster problem. We removed the bezel and cluster, then removed the gauge itself from the cluster. I then set the tach on top of the air cleaner and ran alligator clips to it to test. A black wire from the ground post on the tach to the above-mentioned brake line. A green wire from the tach side of the coil to the "Sig" post on the tach. And finally a red wire from the positive battery terminal to the "B+" post on the tach. We started the engine and nothing. In desperation, I bumped the tach needle and it started to move like it was supposed to, although kind of sticky: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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