Whisler Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 So Far I've done the following. - Driving at a lower gear - still does the same thing in any gear. - Loosened gas cap - No change - Cleaned out the carb without taking it off. - No change but looks a lot better. :) - Rotor test for spring back with the advance plate- It does. - Physically and visually and carb sprayed all vacuum lines and no leaks - Physically and visually checked all fuel lines and see no leaks - I'm not 100% sure but I don't think I have an evap canister. There isn't anything below my battery but the wheel well. All the emissions stuff was ripped out before I got the truck. Still to try - Pull over when happening and feel ignition coil. - Start the truck when it's dark and look for any glow or sparks around plugs or wires. - Take out the fuel filter before the fuel pump and change the lines from tank switch to mechanical fuel pump. Then put the filter between the pump and carb. - Take the carb off and check float level. I have a couple other things to do before trying the others. Might not be until tonight/tomorrow morning. Thanks again to everyone that's assisting by answering questions. I'm putting my hands (physically) all over this truck learning as I go! While checking the wires, pay particular attention to the wire closest to the oil dipstick tube. They like to short to that tube when the wires are bad. I slipped a piece of hose over the dipstick tube to assure no contact with the plug wire, even though my wires were good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pebcak Posted February 11, 2018 Author Share Posted February 11, 2018 I figured it out. Of course it was the area I was going to change out when I had the time. Friday I took the day off to register the horse trailer and had some time to spare. The Beast had been sitting for two weeks because of my frustration. I decided to take it for a test drive and go get the 10 ft of new fuel rated 3/8" hose. Got to O'Reilly's and started the drive back. Well, it got worse. 3/4 of the way home I couldn't even get to 35 mph and finally it just died on the back "back" road. (It's a great road where I can go as slow as I want without traffic.) Got out and started checking everything. Decided to grab the screwdriver to short the solenoid to start it while I looked at the engine. LO AND BEHOLD!!!!!! My glass fuel filter I have by the carburetor is getting NO gas!!!!! :nabble_smiley_angry: I never noticed it before because the truck DID start and run fine under 50-60 mph. Seeing that I said "Screw it" and did a field change of the fuel line from tank selector to the mechanical fuel pump. Thank the heavens for a 1986 where all you need is a screwdriver, pliers and a knife to fix a lot! Got the new line in and shorted the solenoid and viola! It started up. Next challenge was me hoping to make it to 2 miles home and that it wasn't a fluke that it was running. Made it home going about 40 to ensure I didn't stall out again. Parked it and removed the old lines/fuel filter completely. Tightened the other hose down and took it for a test drive. Went out on the main road and slowly took it up to 60 and kept it steady. No issues but that had happened before. I pulled into a turn around and shut the truck off and restarted it. Started heading back home at 60 again. Running steady...... Soooo I figured "What the heck! I'm almost home." I punched it and was doing 80 and no issues. :nabble_anim_claps: As you can see with the line I took out, it was mix matched. Looking close I see cracks in the plastic tubing and bulging in the hose as well. I think the lines we leaking a little and the filter needed to be changed again after only a year. Maybe gunk from the tanks? Now I only have the glass screen filter between the pump and carb. I'll check it regularly to ensure I don't run into this again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzFace2 Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 I figured it out. Of course it was the area I was going to change out when I had the time. Friday I took the day off to register the horse trailer and had some time to spare. The Beast had been sitting for two weeks because of my frustration. I decided to take it for a test drive and go get the 10 ft of new fuel rated 3/8" hose. Got to O'Reilly's and started the drive back. Well, it got worse. 3/4 of the way home I couldn't even get to 35 mph and finally it just died on the back "back" road. (It's a great road where I can go as slow as I want without traffic.) Got out and started checking everything. Decided to grab the screwdriver to short the solenoid to start it while I looked at the engine. LO AND BEHOLD!!!!!! My glass fuel filter I have by the carburetor is getting NO gas!!!!! :nabble_smiley_angry: I never noticed it before because the truck DID start and run fine under 50-60 mph. Seeing that I said "Screw it" and did a field change of the fuel line from tank selector to the mechanical fuel pump. Thank the heavens for a 1986 where all you need is a screwdriver, pliers and a knife to fix a lot! Got the new line in and shorted the solenoid and viola! It started up. Next challenge was me hoping to make it to 2 miles home and that it wasn't a fluke that it was running. Made it home going about 40 to ensure I didn't stall out again. Parked it and removed the old lines/fuel filter completely. Tightened the other hose down and took it for a test drive. Went out on the main road and slowly took it up to 60 and kept it steady. No issues but that had happened before. I pulled into a turn around and shut the truck off and restarted it. Started heading back home at 60 again. Running steady...... Soooo I figured "What the heck! I'm almost home." I punched it and was doing 80 and no issues. :nabble_anim_claps: As you can see with the line I took out, it was mix matched. Looking close I see cracks in the plastic tubing and bulging in the hose as well. I think the lines we leaking a little and the filter needed to be changed again after only a year. Maybe gunk from the tanks? Now I only have the glass screen filter between the pump and carb. I'll check it regularly to ensure I don't run into this again. Good to hear fixed it, fingers crossed Just like batt. cables rubber fuel line you cant tell if they are good or not by looking at the outside of them. The rubber lines can 'fall apart" inside and block the flow and cause issues. That is why I like to keep the rubber line as short as I can. Also that glass filter if it is the type you can take apart to clean throw it in the garbage can and get one of the some what clear plastic ones. The glass ones can break spilling/spraying gas all over a hot motor and guess what follows! Dave ---- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 I figured it out. Of course it was the area I was going to change out when I had the time. Friday I took the day off to register the horse trailer and had some time to spare. The Beast had been sitting for two weeks because of my frustration. I decided to take it for a test drive and go get the 10 ft of new fuel rated 3/8" hose. Got to O'Reilly's and started the drive back. Well, it got worse. 3/4 of the way home I couldn't even get to 35 mph and finally it just died on the back "back" road. (It's a great road where I can go as slow as I want without traffic.) Got out and started checking everything. Decided to grab the screwdriver to short the solenoid to start it while I looked at the engine. LO AND BEHOLD!!!!!! My glass fuel filter I have by the carburetor is getting NO gas!!!!! :nabble_smiley_angry: I never noticed it before because the truck DID start and run fine under 50-60 mph. Seeing that I said "Screw it" and did a field change of the fuel line from tank selector to the mechanical fuel pump. Thank the heavens for a 1986 where all you need is a screwdriver, pliers and a knife to fix a lot! Got the new line in and shorted the solenoid and viola! It started up. Next challenge was me hoping to make it to 2 miles home and that it wasn't a fluke that it was running. Made it home going about 40 to ensure I didn't stall out again. Parked it and removed the old lines/fuel filter completely. Tightened the other hose down and took it for a test drive. Went out on the main road and slowly took it up to 60 and kept it steady. No issues but that had happened before. I pulled into a turn around and shut the truck off and restarted it. Started heading back home at 60 again. Running steady...... Soooo I figured "What the heck! I'm almost home." I punched it and was doing 80 and no issues. :nabble_anim_claps: As you can see with the line I took out, it was mix matched. Looking close I see cracks in the plastic tubing and bulging in the hose as well. I think the lines we leaking a little and the filter needed to be changed again after only a year. Maybe gunk from the tanks? Now I only have the glass screen filter between the pump and carb. I'll check it regularly to ensure I don't run into this again. Glad you got it fixed. What usually happens is that a hose ahead of the fuel pump will leak out while the truck is sitting, but it leaks in when it is running. And what goes in is air, and the air kills the vacuum that the pump is creating to move fuel. At some point in the power range there's only enough fuel to keep the engine running at that load, and you can't accelerate any further. But I'd have another filter in the line. Either ahead of or after the pump. Or, both of the tank isn't known to be clean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pebcak Posted February 11, 2018 Author Share Posted February 11, 2018 Good to hear fixed it, fingers crossed :nabble_smiley_happy:Just like batt. cables rubber fuel line you cant tell if they are good or not by looking at the outside of them. The rubber lines can 'fall apart" inside and block the flow and cause issues. That is why I like to keep the rubber line as short as I can.Also that glass filter if it is the type you can take apart to clean throw it in the garbage can and get one of the some what clear plastic ones. The glass ones can break spilling/spraying gas all over a hot motor and guess what follows! :nabble_smiley_cry:Dave ----I'll look for a plastic one the next time I'm at the store. Thanks for the suggestion. On Feb 11, 2018 15:06, "FuzzFace2 [via Bullnose Enthusiasts]" <redacted_email_address> wrote: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pebcak Posted February 11, 2018 Author Share Posted February 11, 2018 Glad you got it fixed. What usually happens is that a hose ahead of the fuel pump will leak out while the truck is sitting, but it leaks in when it is running. And what goes in is air, and the air kills the vacuum that the pump is creating to move fuel. At some point in the power range there's only enough fuel to keep the engine running at that load, and you can't accelerate any further.But I'd have another filter in the line. Either ahead of or after the pump. Or, both of the tank isn't known to be clean.We've got one more thing to add to our memory for the next person with a similar issue. I had the one before and after until this. I'm planning on running the beast the way it is now to see how bad the see through filter gets. I left enough to have room to put another filter before the pump in the future. You know, just in case. On Feb 11, 2018 15:08, "Gary Lewis [via Bullnose Enthusiasts]" <redacted_email_address> wrote: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMUBullnose Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 Reviving this thread from February as I'm still diagnosing my engines performance issues... I've got a 302 carb'd engine...where is/are the fuel filters on these engines? I thought there was one at the carb but is there also an in-line coming from the fuel tank selector? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 Reviving this thread from February as I'm still diagnosing my engines performance issues... I've got a 302 carb'd engine...where is/are the fuel filters on these engines? I thought there was one at the carb but is there also an in-line coming from the fuel tank selector? I have the fuel system illustrations here: http://www.garysgaragemahal.com/1980-84-f-series--bronco.html, and I don't see an extra filter. In fact, I'm quite sure that the carb'd engines had only the one filter at the carb. However, there's no telling what a previous owner might have done. I have frequently added a filter ahead of the mechanical fuel pump, and many people add a filter after the pump. So, you'll have to inspect your truck to see what you have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMUBullnose Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 I have the fuel system illustrations here: http://www.garysgaragemahal.com/1980-84-f-series--bronco.html, and I don't see an extra filter. In fact, I'm quite sure that the carb'd engines had only the one filter at the carb. However, there's no telling what a previous owner might have done. I have frequently added a filter ahead of the mechanical fuel pump, and many people add a filter after the pump. So, you'll have to inspect your truck to see what you have. That's a great point Gary - I'll have to go back through my grandfather's service notes and see what was done when. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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