ArdWrknTrk Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 Sorry for the confusion. Once I realized the best plan, I didnt properly update you guys. The plan: mount winch on rear hitch of Silverado. Mount a snatch block in the middle of the trailer over the fender. Run winch cable across trailer past other fender. Log will be positioned parallel to trailer on the side opposite snatch block. Wrap cable over and back under log. Attach cable to trailer. Roll log up ramps with winch. I wont need to ever drag the log or lift one end onto trailer. The winch side loads it up over the trailer fender. That's likely going to work, Gary! While it is going to be doubly slow at low take up speed, wrapping the log and reeling it in is a lot less strain. Really, it's looking back at man power. Pioneers realized that rolling offered much less resistance and didn't require as much brute force. Thus the peavy was born. For much the same reasons that weather boards were split out of logs, and used to cover the sides and back of houses that were shingles on the front (appearance side) Using a glut and commander was faster, easier, less waste and a riven board has no exposed end grain to absorb moisture or create a weak spot. One horizontal clipboard required less nails and had far fewer seams to leak or let warmth out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Cecil Posted November 7, 2019 Author Share Posted November 7, 2019 Iron Bull Bumpers makes one for the Bullnose but damn pricey at $1,200.00! https://www.ironbullbumpers.com/collections/ford-f-150/products/1980-1986-ford-f-150-front-base-bumper http://forum.garysgaragemahal.com/file/n42950/Capture.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Cecil Posted November 7, 2019 Author Share Posted November 7, 2019 That's likely going to work, Gary! Yeah, it'll work. Here is the scope: Logs No larger than 26" Diameter (14" min) Currently can handle up to 10'5" Long log on mill. Heaviest species wet around here I will likely obtain will be oak. A 26" diameter wet Pin Oak log 10'5" long is about 1900lbs. So, a 3500lb winch doubled over, rolling the log will work as long as I get everything setup correctly and don't snag anything while pulling the log. Duty cycle on the winch is 45 seconds @ 3500lb load. I am halving the 1900lbs by wrapping the cable around the log. So 950lbs. 3500/950 = 3.68 times the duty cycle. So 3.68*45sec= 165 seconds. That is about 2 minutes 45 seconds I can run the winch with a 1900lb log on it. That is more than enough time to roll a 26" log up those ramps. Winch Rest time between duty cycles is 14 minutes 15 seconds.In the colder weather I will be operating in, I can likely shrink that rest time some. Although, I am not going to be loading the next log sooner than 14 minutes anyway, I will likely be spending all that time extracting the next log from the woods. I can only get two 1900lb logs onto the trailer before I am PUSHING the load cap on the trailer. 7000lb gross. To be safe, I don't think I will push past 6000lbs on the trailer at any one time. I will just make more trips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdWrknTrk Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 That's likely going to work, Gary! Yeah, it'll work. Here is the scope: Logs No larger than 26" Diameter (14" min) Currently can handle up to 10'5" Long log on mill. Heaviest species wet around here I will likely obtain will be oak. A 26" diameter wet Pin Oak log 10'5" long is about 1900lbs. So, a 3500lb winch doubled over, rolling the log will work as long as I get everything setup correctly and don't snag anything while pulling the log. Duty cycle on the winch is 45 seconds @ 3500lb load. I am halving the 1900lbs by wrapping the cable around the log. So 950lbs. 3500/950 = 3.68 times the duty cycle. So 3.68*45sec= 165 seconds. That is about 2 minutes 45 seconds I can run the winch with a 1900lb log on it. That is more than enough time to roll a 26" log up those ramps. Winch Rest time between duty cycles is 14 minutes 15 seconds.In the colder weather I will be operating in, I can likely shrink that rest time some. Although, I am not going to be loading the next log sooner than 14 minutes anyway, I will likely be spending all that time extracting the next log from the woods. I can only get two 1900lb logs onto the trailer before I am PUSHING the load cap on the trailer. 7000lb gross. To be safe, I don't think I will push past 6000lbs on the trailer at any one time. I will just make more trips. Yeah, but you're not shifting all that weight. You're rolling it, and you have the log radius as a lever in the equation. (Try moving your truck by rolling one tire and you will see the advantage of the lever) So, what kind of alternator does your Silverado have? What's the amp draw of your winch at load? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Cecil Posted November 7, 2019 Author Share Posted November 7, 2019 Yeah, but you're not shifting all that weight. You're rolling it, and you have the log radius as a lever in the equation. (Try moving your truck by rolling one tire and you will see the advantage of the lever) So, what kind of alternator does your Silverado have? What's the amp draw of your winch at load? Good questions. I plan to build an auxiliary control box that has all the guts for controlling the winch, plus an auxiliary battery that matches the trucks battery. I saw Gary suggested a smart battery switch thingy....oh my god its expensive. I don't think I will be using that! Upgrading the trucks factory alternator may or may not be needed, I need to look into that. I didn't note the amp draw on the winch at load, I will get that when I get home. Good questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Cecil Posted November 7, 2019 Author Share Posted November 7, 2019 So, what kind of alternator does your Silverado have? What's the amp draw of your winch at load? Googled it. Don't you love google? Looks like my factory alternator is 105 amps, and easily upgraded to 145 amps Here is the specs on the winch. But I don't see an amp draw at load yet.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 Good questions. I plan to build an auxiliary control box that has all the guts for controlling the winch, plus an auxiliary battery that matches the trucks battery. I saw Gary suggested a smart battery switch thingy....oh my god its expensive. I don't think I will be using that! Upgrading the trucks factory alternator may or may not be needed, I need to look into that. I didn't note the amp draw on the winch at load, I will get that when I get home. Good questions. You need some kind of continuous-duty relay to connect your trailer battery to the truck's charging system. It doesn't have to be the fancy Cole Heresee, but you need something rated for at least the output of the biggest alternator it will be used with. It is possible your dad's truck has a relay built in. But it sounds like you are going to build a box that will go with the trailer. If your dad's truck has the relay built in then you don't want or need to put one in your trailer's electrical box. So if you are going to use that arrangement with Little Blue you could put the relay on the truck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Cecil Posted November 7, 2019 Author Share Posted November 7, 2019 So, what kind of alternator does your Silverado have? What's the amp draw of your winch at load? Googled it. Don't you love google? Looks like my factory alternator is 105 amps, and easily upgraded to 145 amps Here is the specs on the winch. But I don't see an amp draw at load yet.... Its interesting as the wire spools into the winch, the load pulling ability decreases. This makes absolute sense, I just hadn't considered it before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Cecil Posted November 7, 2019 Author Share Posted November 7, 2019 You need some kind of continuous-duty relay to connect your trailer battery to the truck's charging system. It doesn't have to be the fancy Cole Heresee, but you need something rated for at least the output of the biggest alternator it will be used with. It is possible your dad's truck has a relay built in. But it sounds like you are going to build a box that will go with the trailer. If your dad's truck has the relay built in then you don't want or need to put one in your trailer's electrical box. So if you are going to use that arrangement with Little Blue you could put the relay on the truck. Gary, the winch came with a relay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Cecil Posted November 7, 2019 Author Share Posted November 7, 2019 Gary, the winch came with a relay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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