Redneckedness Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 My 15 yr old bought himself an 84 F 250 4x4 with a 460 and 4 speed manual trans. The head gasket was blown so to save time and hopefully money i bought a junkyard 460 to replace the blown motor. I have the replacement motor torn down to a long block and the internals look excellent. Now, I've never worked on a Ford nor hav i ever torn a motor down this far. Im doing it all using youtube and the interweb so im probably missing a lot. My biggest concern is when i do the swap im not sure how much of the electrical system i need due to deleting the smog system. Can i use the stock distributor? And if so, should i use the vacuum advance system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Welcome! Glad you joined. And, I'm sure you are worried about letting your 15 year old son on the internet, but this is a family-friendly forum. So after you get to know us you may decide to let him come on as well. Where's home? We have a member's map (Bullnose Forum/Member's Map in the menu) and I'd love to put you on. Who knows, you may be a neighbor to one of us. On the 460, they didn't have a lot of "stuff" to take off. So you are going to need most, if not all of the electrical system. You can use the stock distributor as it was/is a DS-II system with no computer. And you will want the vacuum advance. However, if you aren't going to have EGR then you'll want to adjust that vacuum advance. The reason is that the inert gas introduced into the air/fuel mix via the EGR system slows the combustion process. Since that is only done during periods of high vacuum they dial up a lot of advance through that system. But w/o EGR you will probably have too much advance at part throttle and may get pinging. Some of the Ford vacuum advance units are adjustable by inserting a really small Allen wrench in via the vacuum port. But if yours isn't Crane makes one that is. And it comes with instructions on how to adjust it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpin Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Welcome! Glad you joined. And, I'm sure you are worried about letting your 15 year old son on the internet, but this is a family-friendly forum. So after you get to know us you may decide to let him come on as well. Where's home? We have a member's map (Bullnose Forum/Member's Map in the menu) and I'd love to put you on. Who knows, you may be a neighbor to one of us. On the 460, they didn't have a lot of "stuff" to take off. So you are going to need most, if not all of the electrical system. You can use the stock distributor as it was/is a DS-II system with no computer. And you will want the vacuum advance. However, if you aren't going to have EGR then you'll want to adjust that vacuum advance. The reason is that the inert gas introduced into the air/fuel mix via the EGR system slows the combustion process. Since that is only done during periods of high vacuum they dial up a lot of advance through that system. But w/o EGR you will probably have too much advance at part throttle and may get pinging. Some of the Ford vacuum advance units are adjustable by inserting a really small Allen wrench in via the vacuum port. But if yours isn't Crane makes one that is. And it comes with instructions on how to adjust it. Welcome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redneckedness Posted October 17, 2019 Author Share Posted October 17, 2019 Welcome! Glad you joined. :nabble_anim_handshake:And, I'm sure you are worried about letting your 15 year old son on the internet, but this is a family-friendly forum. So after you get to know us you may decide to let him come on as well.Where's home? We have a member's map (Bullnose Forum/Member's Map in the menu) and I'd love to put you on. Who knows, you may be a neighbor to one of us.On the 460, they didn't have a lot of "stuff" to take off. So you are going to need most, if not all of the electrical system. You can use the stock distributor as it was/is a DS-II system with no computer. And you will want the vacuum advance.However, if you aren't going to have EGR then you'll want to adjust that vacuum advance. The reason is that the inert gas introduced into the air/fuel mix via the EGR system slows the combustion process. Since that is only done during periods of high vacuum they dial up a lot of advance through that system. But w/o EGR you will probably have too much advance at part throttle and may get pinging.Some of the Ford vacuum advance units are adjustable by inserting a really small Allen wrench in via the vacuum port. But if yours isn't Crane makes one that is. And it comes with instructions on how to adjust it.Thats great to know. I hadn't read about that. Im not very good with interweb but ill try to figure out the map. Im trying to make it a father son project but between school and work( both of us) its been difficult trying to find time to work on it together. Ill definitely let him know about this site. Sent from my iPhone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdWrknTrk Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 Welcome to the forum! A few of us here have the 385 series engines (Gary, Bill and myself) You'll see a lot of love for the 4.9/300 six as well. The emissions system is driven by vacuum, not electricity, so wires stay but some hoses can go. Gary is right about the distributor (it takes a 3/32 Allen wrench) but by this point the Federal emissions mandate had made most everything "tamper-proof", so get yourself the Crane advance can for '60's and early '70's Ford's and Mecury's. Follow the seemingly convoluted instructions to the letter. Bill or I can help you as the engine comes together. Be sure to reinstall the motor mount heat shields when you put the engine back in. That rubber doesn't like the radiant heat of the exhaust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redneckedness Posted October 18, 2019 Author Share Posted October 18, 2019 Welcome to the forum! :nabble_waving_orig:A few of us here have the 385 series engines (Gary, Bill and myself)You'll see a lot of love for the 4.9/300 six as well.The emissions system is driven by vacuum, not electricity, so wires stay but some hoses can go.Gary is right about the distributor (it takes a 3/32 Allen wrench) but by this point the Federal emissions mandate had made most everything "tamper-proof", so get yourself the Crane advance can for '60's and early '70's Ford's and Mecury's.Follow the seemingly convoluted instructions to the letter.Bill or I can help you as the engine comes together.Be sure to reinstall the motor mount heat shields when you put the engine back in.That rubber doesn't like the radiant heat of the exhaust.Thank you. You guys are a godsend. Been looking for info for months and found very little . My wife actually stumbled across the bullnose forum and sent it to me. There’s a lot i have to learn. I was looking at getting a new distributor but really didnt want to pay that much money. The crane kit is just what i need. Im also replacing the timing chain set. Was thinking about advancing the timing a few degrees but after reading a little it sounds like i would just be moving my power band down the rpm range. Also whats with the map? I cant find it anywhere on the site. My phone doesn't always give me everything on these sites and I'm a tech moron. Sent from my iPhone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 Glad your wife found us. To find the map, on a phone the menu will be the three stacked bars, probably in the upper left. Click that, then click Bullnose Forum, then scroll down to Member's Map. I just made it easy for you by making that a hot link. However, I wanted you to know how to use the menu as you'll need it to get to all the documentation, and there are about 550 web pages of documentation, some of which have documents on them that are many pages long. Anyway, you can't add yourself to the map. But I can. Just give me a city (we don't use actual addresses so people can stalk us) and I'll add you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redneckedness Posted October 18, 2019 Author Share Posted October 18, 2019 Welcome!Thank you. Sent from my iPhone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redneckedness Posted October 18, 2019 Author Share Posted October 18, 2019 Glad your wife found us. :nabble_smiley_good:To find the map, on a phone the menu will be the three stacked bars, probably in the upper left. Click that, then click Bullnose Forum, then scroll down to Member's Map.I just made it easy for you by making that a hot link. However, I wanted you to know how to use the menu as you'll need it to get to all the documentation, and there are about 550 web pages of documentation, some of which have documents on them that are many pages long.Anyway, you can't add yourself to the map. But I can. Just give me a city (we don't use actual addresses so people can stalk us) and I'll add you.I live in a small town, about 70 miles west of Chicago, called Somonauk. Again, I’m not good at tech so you’ll have to forgive me. Ill see if my son can help me. Hahaha. Sent from my iPhone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 You are now on the map. Hadn't heard of Somonauk, even though we used to live in Elgin. Anyway, now worries about not being good at tech, we'll help you through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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