Gary Lewis Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 I don't need to watch the video, Gary, unless M engines are way different from other Fords, what strikes you as looking strange about the cam gear? That's Brandon's video of his upside-down M. And I don't see anything strange. Was just posting it to help him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
85lebaront2 Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 That's Brandon's video of his upside-down M. And I don't see anything strange. Was just posting it to help him. It looks to me like the thrust face of the cam gear is on the front, not the back where it belongs. That would put the section of the gear that should be through the thrust plate into the back of the eccentric. If his cam has a snout into the thrust plate, then he needs a cam gear with a flat rear face, no snout on it. Ran into that years ago on my 260 when I put a Lunatti hydraulic cam in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdWrknTrk Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 I got the rest of the pistons installed. I did the timing set most of the way. The timing set went down swinging. It was harder than Chinese Arithmetic to get everything lined up and sliding. I dont have the freeze plug in the back of the motor yet so I had a free range camshaft to deal with as well. Finally Hell froze over and it went together right... I was a little stumped on the fuel pump eccentric:nabble_anim_confused:. It did not have a round hole for the cam pin. Instead it has a square hole with a tab bent back to key it in the pinhole. Seems like it could move when in operation. The back piece of the eccentric is still puzzling me a little. It slides back and forth as well as spins. I sent Gary a video and he thought it was normal. The book recommended a dab of loctite on the cam bolt. So I havent loctited and torqued it because I need to know it is right before. I scavenged through my bags of bolts , but couldnt find anything tagged "oil pump" or "pick up tube" bolts:nabble_smiley_thinking:. The book says the oil pump bolts are 3/8'-16 TPI X 1-1/4" long with lock washers. Lo and behold right on the work bench was a pair of bolts matching the description. I put the new Melling pump on with the gasket and torqued it. I didnt put the oil pump drive shaft on because I couldnt find a new one in the shop. The book strongly advised not reusing the old one. I went along with it and just ordered a new Melling one. I am assuming I can get it in w/o pulling the pump. I think I am going to run by the machine shop and see if they will hot tank my pick up tube for me. I only need one, but I will shelf the other. I am seeing where a new screen can be ordered for these. This makes me think I can pull the old one to be sure nothing is in it before installing. Does anybody know how to remove the screen? Also, my machinist sent an oil defelctor or slinger with the motor?? He says it goes on the crank after the timing gear is on?? I have never seen one on a 351 W and I have dismantled a few. The hole in the middle is too smal to go over the crank so I am assuming this is not really for my motor as well as it doesnt need it?? I think maybe you are missing the thrust plate that goes behind the cam gear? I cannot think of another reason for the eccentric to be so sloppy fore 'n aft. Block Thrust plate Cam gear Eccentric Retainer Washer Bolt The eccentric should be free to spin. I've never seen one flopping around that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno2 Posted March 12, 2018 Author Share Posted March 12, 2018 I think maybe you are missing the thrust plate that goes behind the cam gear? I cannot think of another reason for the eccentric to be so sloppy fore 'n aft. Block Thrust plate Cam gear Eccentric Retainer Washer Bolt The eccentric should be free to spin. I've never seen one flopping around that much. I put the thrust plate on.I need to look at the old cam gear and see if it is different than the new Melling I put on it. Perhaps it isnt the right one? I can see how it would spin freely, but the in and out slop as well as the fact that it can put itself in a bind looks wonky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno2 Posted March 12, 2018 Author Share Posted March 12, 2018 I put the thrust plate on.I need to look at the old cam gear and see if it is different than the new Melling I put on it. Perhaps it isnt the right one? I can see how it would spin freely, but the in and out slop as well as the fact that it can put itself in a bind looks wonky. Cam gear was on backwards lol. The rear has a hash mark straight down from the pin hole that was I was sure was the timing mark. However, it wasnt... Should go to together fine now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno2 Posted March 12, 2018 Author Share Posted March 12, 2018 Cam gear was on backwards lol. The rear has a hash mark straight down from the pin hole that was I was sure was the timing mark. However, it wasnt... Should go to together fine now. I am waiting on the oil pump driveshaft to arrive. I also dropped my oil pick up tubes off at the machine shop for them to put in the cleaning vat. Tommy said they should soak for a couple of days. So the build is on hold for a couple of days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
85lebaront2 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Cam gear was on backwards lol. The rear has a hash mark straight down from the pin hole that was I was sure was the timing mark. However, it wasnt... Should go to together fine now. That was why I said last night I didn't need to watch the video, it was obvious what was wrong (unless you are used to engines with the timing set buried, like MOPAR big blocks or Ford 335s). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 That was why I said last night I didn't need to watch the video, it was obvious what was wrong (unless you are used to engines with the timing set buried, like MOPAR big blocks or Ford 335s). It wasn't obvious to me. Sure glad you guys pointed it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno2 Posted March 17, 2018 Author Share Posted March 17, 2018 It wasn't obvious to me. Sure glad you guys pointed it out. Ok, I need some assistance please: I do not have a bag with front cover bolts (that I can find). I still have some loosey's on the bench. My book says what length, diameter and thread pitch they are. It also says something a washer maybe being made into the head or is it one of those that has a free spinning washer that cant be removed? Any pictures? Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdWrknTrk Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Ok, I need some assistance please: I do not have a bag with front cover bolts (that I can find). I still have some loosey's on the bench. My book says what length, diameter and thread pitch they are. It also says something a washer maybe being made into the head or is it one of those that has a free spinning washer that cant be removed? Any pictures? Thank you! I don't have a 351 but my 460 had flange head bolts up front. I went with regular hex and washers when I changed to stainless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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