Welding Question

[Quarterwave]

Hi everyone,

I've reached a point where I need to learn how to weld. I've researched it a bunch and think I'm going to pick up a hybrid welder that does MIG and TIG.

My question is - should I take some classes at say, a local community college, or just pickup some scrap pieces to work on, and just starting teaching myself, on my own time at my own pace?

The latter is pretty much how I've done things most of my life.

I've never welded metal before, but I'm really thinking about putting twin turbo's on my 351W, and from what I can tell, the fabrication time involved for the plumbing (manifolds and exhaust) is likely to be very expensive as there are no bolt-on turbo kits (that I'm aware of) for these trucks.

So, at first I'll be working with stainless and then, I'd like to scale it up to whatever else I may need to do in the future - so, buying the right welder from the start (and crying once) is a priority.

Any experienced input is much appreciated.

Gary - I'm not sure if this belongs in the FORD Lounge, but as that seemed to be a continuous thread, I wasn't sure if this topic would "fit". If so, please move this post wherever you see fit.

Thanks!

 

[85lebaront2]

I would say go to a class. Unfortunately the absolute best welding school in the country is an in-house one at Huntington Ingalls Industries - Newport News Shipbuilding. Those welders learn every type of welding including setting up robotic systems. If your local community college offers a good class. go for it.

[Gary Lewis]

I think where you have this thread is fine.

And on the question of training, I'd vote for a community college. Some of the most fun I've had was taking a community college class on the lathe and then the mill when I was in my 60's. The young pups were just there to get the pre-req, and I was there to LEARN.

I'll never forget on the final the instructor said that when you finish the test go out into the shop and work on your project. I got done and everyone else was still working on the test. So I put my first set of answers aside and took it again - with the same results. So I turned it in and went to the shop. And then the instructor came out and said the young pups were not going to like me - he graded on the curve.

Pretty soon a younger guy I was friends with came out and asked what my answer was for a certain question. I gave him the answer and he asked how I knew. I told him it was in the book and he said "YOU READ THE BOOK!!!" I didn't have the heart to tell him that I skimmed it the first night I got it, then read it cover-to-cover before the class started, and then read each section and took the quiz as we came to it.

As for the welder, I can't speak to the TIG aspect, but can to the MIG. It is far easier to MIG than use a stick welder IMHO. In fact, it is pretty easy to do, but perhaps that's cause I have a bit of experience and some understanding of when I'm not getting penetration. But, I still don't do a good job in many cases, as member Scott/WelderScott has pointed out a few times.

Speaking of Scott, he says I need a TIG. He owns Victor Welding in Tulsa, which is a welding supply house, and is licensed to weld anything, so I suspect he knows what he's talking about. But, not having ever used one I can't speak to that.

Speaking of Scott, perhaps I can get him to respond on this thread......

[Quarterwave]

I think where you have this thread is fine.

And on the question of training, I'd vote for a community college. Some of the most fun I've had was taking a community college class on the lathe and then the mill when I was in my 60's. The young pups were just there to get the pre-req, and I was there to LEARN.

I'll never forget on the final the instructor said that when you finish the test go out into the shop and work on your project. I got done and everyone else was still working on the test. So I put my first set of answers aside and took it again - with the same results. So I turned it in and went to the shop. And then the instructor came out and said the young pups were not going to like me - he graded on the curve.

Pretty soon a younger guy I was friends with came out and asked what my answer was for a certain question. I gave him the answer and he asked how I knew. I told him it was in the book and he said "YOU READ THE BOOK!!!" I didn't have the heart to tell him that I skimmed it the first night I got it, then read it cover-to-cover before the class started, and then read each section and took the quiz as we came to it.

As for the welder, I can't speak to the TIG aspect, but can to the MIG. It is far easier to MIG than use a stick welder IMHO. In fact, it is pretty easy to do, but perhaps that's cause I have a bit of experience and some understanding of when I'm not getting penetration. But, I still don't do a good job in many cases, as member Scott/WelderScott has pointed out a few times.

Speaking of Scott, he says I need a TIG. He owns Victor Welding in Tulsa, which is a welding supply house, and is licensed to weld anything, so I suspect he knows what he's talking about. But, not having ever used one I can't speak to that.

Speaking of Scott, perhaps I can get him to respond on this thread......

Ok, thanks everyone.

I work during the day, so I'll need to find somewhere that does night classes.

Appreciate the insight!

[ETM]

This last past winter I when and got my level 1 welding ticket, yet to use it but never the less I passed. From what I was told, Class will teach you the right way to weld, Yes you can learn on your own but there are something you can't. It may look good but may not be deep enough, or your wire speed is not their. Other thing like what is the Ideal way you should weld two peaces together.

I'd take some classes. I'm Looking for some Tig classes as most of my car is Aluminium. And with that I know with Mig I think I can fix my truck up some more.

Best of luck.

 

[WelderScott]

Hey Quarterwave!

It's good to hear your standing on the porch ready to step off into the welding field. I agree with the previous posts that the community college is a good "first step".

In regards to a welder for the garage that would be a multi-process (or hybrid) unit, I like the new Miller multimatic 220 AC/DC. You can plug this machine into 110v or 220V. You can mig with solid wire or flux-core, stick weld and tig in both AC and DC. AC tig also has the "high-frequency" option that allows you to tig aluminum. Not sure of your budget but you can expect to spend around 3k.

You can "google" all the machine specs by using Millers stock number"907757"

Good luck and have fun!

[Quarterwave]

Hey Quarterwave!

It's good to hear your standing on the porch ready to step off into the welding field. I agree with the previous posts that the community college is a good "first step".

In regards to a welder for the garage that would be a multi-process (or hybrid) unit, I like the new Miller multimatic 220 AC/DC. You can plug this machine into 110v or 220V. You can mig with solid wire or flux-core, stick weld and tig in both AC and DC. AC tig also has the "high-frequency" option that allows you to tig aluminum. Not sure of your budget but you can expect to spend around 3k.

You can "google" all the machine specs by using Millers stock number"907757"

Good luck and have fun!

Great, thanks WelderScott. I'll start researching...

[Steve83]

Other than having a LITTLE bit of training already, I was almost in your shoes before I bought my machine. I chose the MM211 because it can handle 24ga-3/8" steel/SS or Aluminum (single-pass). But the most-important to me was that its automatic settings (steel only) are almost foolproof. Another important factor is that it's a professional-grade machine, so I'd have no trouble selling it if I decided to quit using it.

But it's becoming VERY fun & even generates a little income (as a hobby - I'm not trying to compete with pros). With just a little practice (in addition to some stick-welding instruction many years before), I was able to get reasonably-good MIG welds from it, and build the bumper for my Bronco that I've been abusing for about 6 years now. I also got the spool gun at the same time, and never having had ANY instruction with it, I've gotten useful (if not pretty) Aluminum welds from it, too. All I did was read the manual, and a few other sources, practice on a few scraps, and I've done a few small jobs with it successfully.

So I'd suggest you start reading NOW, and maybe watching some videos ONLY by pros (none of the amateurs). If you decide you can get by with just MIG/wirefeed, then shop for a 211. Mine was ~$1300 delivered.

https://supermotors.net/getfile/956799/thumbnail/miller211sm.jpg

I also spent ~$350 on the 2 bottles of gas (75/25 for steel/SS, and Argon for Aluminum); and at least that much more on several spools of wire (I only use Hobart brand) and other supplies, gloves (also Hobart), brushes, grinding wheels (Diabolo), cutting wheels (Metabo), clamping pliers, clamps, sleeves, squares, rulers, magnets, etc.; and I put maybe $60 worth of material into my cart which I built to carry all of that, and a ~$60 extension cord, on minimal floor space.

https://supermotors.net/getfile/957266/thumbnail/weldcart.jpg

https://supermotors.net/getfile/956800/thumbnail/bottles.jpg

After using an ultra-cheapo $35 hood for a while, I found this one on sale at TSC for $60:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00AFICDIE

I added the outlets to my house myself, so that only cost me ~$60. Check with some local electricians what it'll cost you.

I highly recommend this ~$350 vise:

https://supermotors.net/getfile/1018221/thumbnail/vises02.jpg

You'll also need a table (preferably metal) to mount it on, and to weld on. So make sure you add it all up before you dive in. Don't overspend on a machine, and then NOT have the money to actually use it.

[Rembrant]

My question is - should I take some classes at say, a local community college, or just pickup some scrap pieces to work on, and just starting teaching myself, on my own time at my own pace?

I'm going to go against the grain a bit here, but I'd pickup some scrap pieces to work on and try some self training. That's just my 2 cents.

I have a little Lincoln machine with gas, and it works really well. I did do a lot of stick welding when I was younger, so I found mig pretty easy to catch on to.

If taking a course is easy and cost effective, and you have the time to do so, by all means do it. However, if you're just playing around I don't think there's any harm in trying some practice pieces on your own;).

 

[ArdWrknTrk]

Remember that welding stainless requires straight Argon and not your regular 75/25% Mig mix.

Also, you'll need back purge to keep from getting 'sugar' (crystallization) and blackness on the inside.

So if you're going to try your hand at Mig, get a dual flow regulator.

You don't need (or want) 15-20 CFM inside your tubes.

I taught myself Mig back in the '80's, but I was coming from Oxyfuel and Tig so at least I knew what I wanted it to look like.

I use Pearl abrasives almost exclusively. Though Makita makes a nice stainless .045 cutoff disc, and flap wheels are usually DeWalt or Bosch around here.

But two angle grinders, so you're not constantly swapping discs.

I have 4, & a cordless.... one wears a pipeliner and another a knotted brush for prep.

I'm looking to pick up a little inverter stick welder to do some fence work off a generator, but I'm surely tempted by the new multi-process machines.

Unfortunately, one big enough for heavy aluminum (that could replace everything else I own) would be too much for my genny.

So ultimately I'm probably going to end up with a green 'lunchbox' for fences, gates and trailer repairs.

Yet another tool to trip over....