ArdWrknTrk Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Here's the DEI one that just came in the mail today. It's pretty much what you'd expect. The full size version is something like 2 inches wider and 8 inches longer. I don't know anything about the later model stock pmgr starter or how it's clocked but when the time comes I'd check out powermaster as an option. May be more $ but the clocking helped get mine away from the headers and still avoid the transmission cooling lines. We used to use a Hi-C or tomato juice can back in the day..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
85lebaront2 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Here's the DEI one that just came in the mail today. It's pretty much what you'd expect. The full size version is something like 2 inches wider and 8 inches longer. I don't know anything about the later model stock pmgr starter or how it's clocked but when the time comes I'd check out powermaster as an option. May be more $ but the clocking helped get mine away from the headers and still avoid the transmission cooling lines. I keep hearing people talk about Powermaster starters, if it quits on the road, where do you find a replacement? When my original PMGR starter bought in 2003 finally decided it was done this year (16 years) I was able to go about 1 1/2 miles away to our local alternator, starter and battery supply house here in town and pick up a new one, exactly like the one I took off, even had the same Precision label on the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdWrknTrk Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 I keep hearing people talk about Powermaster starters, if it quits on the road, where do you find a replacement? When my original PMGR starter bought in 2003 finally decided it was done this year (16 years) I was able to go about 1 1/2 miles away to our local alternator, starter and battery supply house here in town and pick up a new one, exactly like the one I took off, even had the same Precision label on the box. I remember when a Tilton mini starter was the only thing on the market. Man, those things were pricey! :nabble_money-flying-23_orig: There! I used Gary's emoji.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kramttocs Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 I keep hearing people talk about Powermaster starters, if it quits on the road, where do you find a replacement? When my original PMGR starter bought in 2003 finally decided it was done this year (16 years) I was able to go about 1 1/2 miles away to our local alternator, starter and battery supply house here in town and pick up a new one, exactly like the one I took off, even had the same Precision label on the box. Powermaster, OEM, later model PMGR OEM... if any of them fail on the road, I'd say one would get any starter from wherever they could to get home :) Changing the starter doesn't require any real changes to the wiring that would prevent swapping from one brand to another. I don't know of too many people that would refuse to buy a store brand while stuck on the side of the road. I understand at a high level what you are saying and I am all for buying local but I wouldn't not buy a good product just because I couldn't get it locally. As another example, there are certain parts that I personally will only use motorcraft (like starter solenoid) but that doesn't mean if it failed on me while out somewhere that I wouldn't swap in a store brand to get me back home. That's not to say that it's not a good idea to plan ahead. Years ago I swapped out my 65 Mustang's points to a Pertronix setup but I still keep a set of points in the glovebox so I can easily swap back if needed on the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve83 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Before you start band-aiding it, check everything more-carefully, and post pics. It's more likely a battery terminal problem than anything else, and it's cheaper & better to fix it at the source than to try to make up for those problems downstream. Click this & read all the captions: https://www.supermotors.net/getfile/723279/thumbnail/07done.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdWrknTrk Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Powermaster, OEM, later model PMGR OEM... Changing the starter doesn't require any real changes to the wiring that would prevent swapping from one brand to another.changing from rocking pole to PMGR requires a trigger wire to the starter, and a live at all times starter cable. Swapping an OEM starter on the side of the road would (at least) require moving things around. .... Unless you were smart enough to ask for a starter for a '95. , there are certain parts that I personally will only use motorcraft (like starter solenoid) but that doesn't mean if it failed on me while out somewhere that I wouldn't swap in a store brand to get me back home.Be careful. I've learned many new 'facts' about "OEM" and "Motorcraft" parts in the past couple of days. I'm afraid to use ANY parts now, for fear they will infect my truck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kramttocs Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 Powermaster, OEM, later model PMGR OEM... Changing the starter doesn't require any real changes to the wiring that would prevent swapping from one brand to another.changing from rocking pole to PMGR requires a trigger wire to the starter, and a live at all times starter cable. Swapping an OEM starter on the side of the road would (at least) require moving things around. .... Unless you were smart enough to ask for a starter for a '95. , there are certain parts that I personally will only use motorcraft (like starter solenoid) but that doesn't mean if it failed on me while out somewhere that I wouldn't swap in a store brand to get me back home.Be careful. I've learned many new 'facts' about "OEM" and "Motorcraft" parts in the past couple of days. I'm afraid to use ANY parts now, for fear they will infect my truck. It doesn't require it (use a jumper and no difference to the truck wiring at all) but it is an option and no doubt easier on the fender solenoid. Either way, I still wouldn't consider this little wiring consideration to be a deal breaker. That said, everyone will need to decide that for themselves regarding what they feel comfortable with in an emergency situation. Be careful of using Motorcraft parts??? Not saying they are what they used to be but (knock on wood) they've always served me better than house brand. I am intrigued by what you are referring to - care to elaborate? My life schedule doesn't lend itself well to keeping up with forums as much as I'd like but sounds like I missed some interesting information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve83 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 changing from rocking pole to PMGR requires a trigger wire to the starter, and a live at all times starter cable.Only 1 additional medium-gauge wire (~14~8ga) is required. https://supermotors.net/getfile/870249/thumbnail/startersolswap.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorsai Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 My life schedule doesn't lend itself well to keeping up with forums as much as I'd like but sounds like I missed some interesting information. No...no you didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quarterwave Posted July 18, 2019 Author Share Posted July 18, 2019 Before you start band-aiding it, check everything more-carefully, and post pics. It's more likely a battery terminal problem than anything else, and it's cheaper & better to fix it at the source than to try to make up for those problems downstream. Click this & read all the captions: https://www.supermotors.net/getfile/723279/thumbnail/07done.jpg Steve, you're a gem - great write up. Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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