Sac79 Posted May 2, 2020 Author Share Posted May 2, 2020 Any 14" or smaller aftermarket air cleaner would fit in my setup. I would just like to use an 'original look' air cleaner with a snorkel... The air cleaner I got from the yard has a 15.5" diameter, that appears to be about the smallest I've seen for those with a 5 1/8" carb neck, most on eBay appears to be 17"+. Were the van air cleaners any smaller in diameter [due to dog house dimensions]? I'm terrible at keeping this thread up to date... Anyway, I don't know David, but I've put the air cleaner issue aside for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sac79 Posted May 2, 2020 Author Share Posted May 2, 2020 Any 14" or smaller aftermarket air cleaner would fit in my setup. I would just like to use an 'original look' air cleaner with a snorkel... The air cleaner I got from the yard has a 15.5" diameter, that appears to be about the smallest I've seen for those with a 5 1/8" carb neck, most on eBay appears to be 17"+. Were the van air cleaners any smaller in diameter [due to dog house dimensions]? I'm terrible at keeping this thread up to date... Anyway, I don't know David, but I've put the air cleaner issue aside for now. I don't know why I'm so bad at updating this thread, but I am. My only excuse is that the camera lives down in the garage and I always forget to bring it up to upload the pictures... Pretty lame. Anyway, I've started the wiring... And I'm happy to say that Painless have lived up to there name! So far... Oh I did the cowl first. I don't know what material was used to seal it originally, I can't remember removing anything, but I found a suitable product next to the garage door seals at Lowes. It expands up to 1". I also covered the grills with insect screen. I also sealed the garage door seal with roofing sealant to the cowl after reading Gary's write-up, annoyingly it appears I have no pictures of that! I'll get one next time(next month:nabble_smiley_wink:) Then the wiring started... I installed the dash frame first without the dash, it made running the wires a lot easier and I only had to detach the sides to get the dash on later. I had to use a lot of my old harness and really the easiest thing would have been to leave the interior harness alone and only replace the wires in the engine bay. But the new harness if everything works is massively simplified and I will now know how everything works, if it does... And interior harness done! I added a door jamb switch to the passenger side. I have a couple of questions. One, does the speedo cable not secure behind the speedo? I could swear it was clipped in when I worked on it years ago. Where does this bulb secure? Is it the correct one for the lights and wiper switch backlighting? Can anyone please take a picture of the screws or bolts that go where these two are(the two in the center holding the dash and two parts of the frame together)? These worked fine before I added the dash itself, now they're too short and I don't have anything that would fit left(I probably used the correct ones somewhere else:nabble_head-slap-23_orig:). Last question, does ground G701(interior) connect to the dashframe or the cab bulkhead? I'm assuming the frame as I can't see where on the cab it would mount. Thanks for reading. Any answers or comments pointing out errors will be greatly appreciated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sac79 Posted May 2, 2020 Author Share Posted May 2, 2020 I don't know why I'm so bad at updating this thread, but I am. My only excuse is that the camera lives down in the garage and I always forget to bring it up to upload the pictures... Pretty lame. Anyway, I've started the wiring... And I'm happy to say that Painless have lived up to there name! So far... Oh I did the cowl first. I don't know what material was used to seal it originally, I can't remember removing anything, but I found a suitable product next to the garage door seals at Lowes. It expands up to 1". I also covered the grills with insect screen. I also sealed the garage door seal with roofing sealant to the cowl after reading Gary's write-up, annoyingly it appears I have no pictures of that! I'll get one next time(next month:nabble_smiley_wink:) Then the wiring started... I installed the dash frame first without the dash, it made running the wires a lot easier and I only had to detach the sides to get the dash on later. I had to use a lot of my old harness and really the easiest thing would have been to leave the interior harness alone and only replace the wires in the engine bay. But the new harness if everything works is massively simplified and I will now know how everything works, if it does... And interior harness done! I added a door jamb switch to the passenger side. I have a couple of questions. One, does the speedo cable not secure behind the speedo? I could swear it was clipped in when I worked on it years ago. Where does this bulb secure? Is it the correct one for the lights and wiper switch backlighting? Can anyone please take a picture of the screws or bolts that go where these two are(the two in the center holding the dash and two parts of the frame together)? These worked fine before I added the dash itself, now they're too short and I don't have anything that would fit left(I probably used the correct ones somewhere else:nabble_head-slap-23_orig:). Last question, does ground G701(interior) connect to the dashframe or the cab bulkhead? I'm assuming the frame as I can't see where on the cab it would mount. Thanks for reading. Any answers or comments pointing out errors will be greatly appreciated! Now I know why I'm so bad at updating this thread, it took me 44mins to write that post... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sac79 Posted May 4, 2020 Author Share Posted May 4, 2020 Now I know why I'm so bad at updating this thread, it took me 44mins to write that post... Tough crowd over the weekend... Here's the cowl seal with aftermarket washer nozzle(I misplaced the original...). I used the 'washers' that came with the seal. I figured out I'm missing a bracket on the lights & wiper backlighting after seeing a post by Matt Wood. I might make a run to the salvage yards and see if I can find it, might be able to get the 2 screws I'm looking for too. And I'm 99.9% sure the G701 ground is to the right of the radio on the frame. So all I need from anyone now is clarification on the speedo... But it's not crucial and I don't see what I would do about it anyway. I suppose I would have to do something if it worked itself loose... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdWrknTrk Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 I don't know why I'm so bad at updating this thread, but I am. My only excuse is that the camera lives down in the garage and I always forget to bring it up to upload the pictures... Pretty lame. Anyway, I've started the wiring... And I'm happy to say that Painless have lived up to there name! So far... Oh I did the cowl first. I don't know what material was used to seal it originally, I can't remember removing anything, but I found a suitable product next to the garage door seals at Lowes. It expands up to 1". I also covered the grills with insect screen. I also sealed the garage door seal with roofing sealant to the cowl after reading Gary's write-up, annoyingly it appears I have no pictures of that! I'll get one next time(next month:nabble_smiley_wink:) Then the wiring started... I installed the dash frame first without the dash, it made running the wires a lot easier and I only had to detach the sides to get the dash on later. I had to use a lot of my old harness and really the easiest thing would have been to leave the interior harness alone and only replace the wires in the engine bay. But the new harness if everything works is massively simplified and I will now know how everything works, if it does... And interior harness done! I added a door jamb switch to the passenger side. I have a couple of questions. One, does the speedo cable not secure behind the speedo? I could swear it was clipped in when I worked on it years ago. Where does this bulb secure? Is it the correct one for the lights and wiper switch backlighting? Can anyone please take a picture of the screws or bolts that go where these two are(the two in the center holding the dash and two parts of the frame together)? These worked fine before I added the dash itself, now they're too short and I don't have anything that would fit left(I probably used the correct ones somewhere else:nabble_head-slap-23_orig:). Last question, does ground G701(interior) connect to the dashframe or the cab bulkhead? I'm assuming the frame as I can't see where on the cab it would mount. Thanks for reading. Any answers or comments pointing out errors will be greatly appreciated! Nice to have an interior light from the passenger side. The speedo cable clicks into the back of the cluster. You pry gently on the tab to get it free. I have a bricknose so my dash may be different. Yes I believe the ground attaches to the front of the dash frame just to the right side of the steering column. If you wonder where ANY of these grounds go the EVTM has a whole section illustrating them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 Nice to have an interior light from the passenger side. The speedo cable clicks into the back of the cluster. You pry gently on the tab to get it free. I have a bricknose so my dash may be different. Yes I believe the ground attaches to the front of the dash frame just to the right side of the steering column. If you wonder where ANY of these grounds go the EVTM has a whole section illustrating them. Yes, the speedo cable clips to the speedo, but not to anywhere else on the dash. As for the grounds, Jim is right. There's a whole section on grounds in the 1985 EVTM. And Page 10 of that says G701 is shown on pages 67, 68, 69, and 148. Here's page 67, and it looks like it is on the instrument panel and not the cab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdWrknTrk Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 Yes, the speedo cable clips to the speedo, but not to anywhere else on the dash. As for the grounds, Jim is right. There's a whole section on grounds in the 1985 EVTM. And Page 10 of that says G701 is shown on pages 67, 68, 69, and 148. Here's page 67, and it looks like it is on the instrument panel and not the cab. How could the speedo cable attach to the dash? You have to be a contortionist to pull the cluster and get to it as it is.... At least I have a hard time getting my mittens back there to unplug it. ETA: nice illustration, it also shows the wiper switch illumination, which he was asking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 How could the speedo cable attach to the dash? You have to be a contortionist to pull the cluster and get to it as it is.... At least I have a hard time getting my mittens back there to unplug it. ETA: nice illustration, it also shows the wiper switch illumination, which he was asking about. Yes, I've sometimes had to work on un-clipping the cable for several minutes to get it off. And frequently get scrapes, if not cuts, on my hands. It is a tight and unfriendly place. As for the illustration, I'd missed that Rob was looking for the wiper switch bulb location. Glad you pointed that out, Jim. And it is a nice illustration. And one that needs to be easily accessible. We have the fairly new page (Documentation/Electrical/Wire Routing) that tries to do the same thing. But as shown below, it labels everything with part numbers - which makes sense as it comes from the Master Parts Catalog. But it isn't nearly as helpful as the one above. So, where to document it? On the wire routing page? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sac79 Posted May 5, 2020 Author Share Posted May 5, 2020 Yes, I've sometimes had to work on un-clipping the cable for several minutes to get it off. And frequently get scrapes, if not cuts, on my hands. It is a tight and unfriendly place. As for the illustration, I'd missed that Rob was looking for the wiper switch bulb location. Glad you pointed that out, Jim. And it is a nice illustration. And one that needs to be easily accessible. We have the fairly new page (Documentation/Electrical/Wire Routing) that tries to do the same thing. But as shown below, it labels everything with part numbers - which makes sense as it comes from the Master Parts Catalog. But it isn't nearly as helpful as the one above. So, where to document it? On the wire routing page? Thanks Jim and Gary. I have the '84 EVTM(which you can upload if you want Gary, doubt it's very different from '85 though), but I missed the G701 location in the illustration initially and only saw the description. As for the speedo, as you can see in the picture the tab appears to be broken. Not sure if that was me when I removed everything 4 years ago or during transit. My issue now is, do you think it will stay in place or do I need a replacement? I'm missing a bracket on the wiper switch illumination bulb. No idea how that happened. I think my dash has been disassembled a few times prior to me doing it. There are numerous broken tabs and I like to think I'm not so heavy handed that I caused it all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdWrknTrk Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 Thanks Jim and Gary. I have the '84 EVTM(which you can upload if you want Gary, doubt it's very different from '85 though), but I missed the G701 location in the illustration initially and only saw the description. As for the speedo, as you can see in the picture the tab appears to be broken. Not sure if that was me when I removed everything 4 years ago or during transit. My issue now is, do you think it will stay in place or do I need a replacement? I'm missing a bracket on the wiper switch illumination bulb. No idea how that happened. I think my dash has been disassembled a few times prior to me doing it. There are numerous broken tabs and I like to think I'm not so heavy handed that I caused it all... I don't know if a Bricknose dash has the same lamp holder, but let me root around the bins. Oh, and thank you, Rob! I'll be getting back to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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