Dyn Blin Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 Good afternoon all. Gary generously replied in the affirmative after I fielded the possibility of raising this in our forums. I want to be respectful of the platform and not distract from the overall utility of the resources this treasure trove of a site provides. In that spirit, I'll keep this to a short summary, and if anyone this bill potentially benefits would like to engage me outside the forum, don't hesitate to reach me through "send an email" function on my profile. I'm happy to answer questions in the thread, too. Cliff's notes: AB 210 would exempt pre-1983 model-year gas-powered vehicles from the smog testing regime in California municipalities that require it. Currently, model-years prior to 1976 are exempt. We used to have a rolling 30 year exemption, but that was eliminated in the late 90's. Although the premise of testing is sound, in execution it leads to a heavy burden with the cost of special testing stations for our age of vehicles, extreme limitations on any replacement parts for repair, and lost license tag revenue from drivers that remove themselves from the registration pool because of the complexities and burdens involved in the testing regime. In reality, the percentage of state rolling stock that falls within the bill's proposals represents a far reduced impact in emissions contributions since the rolling 30 year exemption was eliminated. Details on the bill can be found here: http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billCommentsClient.xhtml?bill_id=201920200AB210 The bill currently resides in the state transportation committee with opposition from some well-funded groups. Hope for passage relies on constituency voicing support. If you're a California resident interested in supporting its passage, I can help direct the way to communicate advocacy to the appropriate parties. Although the bill covers only a portion of the model years of the Bullnose generation, many of us Bull Drivers maintain other vehicles the bill covers, as well as have peers that may not be aware of the proposal. Thanks for the bandwidth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Cecil Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 But then who would I sell my 1982 High Altitude california emissions system to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dyn Blin Posted April 26, 2019 Author Share Posted April 26, 2019 But then who would I sell my 1982 High Altitude california emissions system to? Heh. My guess is there will still be a market. Even if it passes, we're looking at some time until implementation, and there may be a visual inspection component if the bill is amended in our protracted process. Yellow grommet on the ignition box with the altitude compensation in the carb? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullnoseHunter02 Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 Heh. My guess is there will still be a market. Even if it passes, we're looking at some time until implementation, and there may be a visual inspection component if the bill is amended in our protracted process. Yellow grommet on the ignition box with the altitude compensation in the carb? So i read the OPs post, and im not sure what the bill is. It sounds like its exluding certin year cars in california from emission testing. Correct me if i am wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dyn Blin Posted April 26, 2019 Author Share Posted April 26, 2019 So i read the OPs post, and im not sure what the bill is. It sounds like its exluding certin year cars in california from emission testing. Correct me if i am wrong. Shorter Cliff Notes AB 210 would exempt pre-1983 model-year gas-powered vehicles from the smog testing regime in California municipalities that require it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Cecil Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 ........ Yellow grommet on the ignition box with the altitude compensation in the carb? Yellow grommet yes. Not sure about carb. I am 2nd owner. Original owner lived in northern cali and had the truck in nevada a few years. Spent the last 12 years in southern indiana. For a 300 inline six Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dyn Blin Posted April 26, 2019 Author Share Posted April 26, 2019 ........ Yellow grommet on the ignition box with the altitude compensation in the carb? Yellow grommet yes. Not sure about carb. I am 2nd owner. Original owner lived in northern cali and had the truck in nevada a few years. Spent the last 12 years in southern indiana. For a 300 inline six 'good to see that, thanks for sharing. On mine, that 3rd connector goes to a sensor that in theory, adjusts timing based on barometric pressure. On my 2150, it has a compensator to lean out the mixture: Barometer Sensor It all runs well enough for the camping excursions up to Tahoe. Someday I'll remove the sensor while I'm up there to test the effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzFace2 Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 Heh. My guess is there will still be a market. Even if it passes, we're looking at some time until implementation, and there may be a visual inspection component if the bill is amended in our protracted process. Yellow grommet on the ignition box with the altitude compensation in the carb? Do they do a visual inspection now on the others that are exempt? What do they go by for this inspection is there a photo of each and every motor what & where the parts are / should be? What do they do now to the 77 and newer cars & trucks, sniff & look see testing? Dave ---- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dyn Blin Posted April 27, 2019 Author Share Posted April 27, 2019 Heh. My guess is there will still be a market. Even if it passes, we're looking at some time until implementation, and there may be a visual inspection component if the bill is amended in our protracted process. Yellow grommet on the ignition box with the altitude compensation in the carb? Do they do a visual inspection now on the others that are exempt? What do they go by for this inspection is there a photo of each and every motor what & where the parts are / should be? What do they do now to the 77 and newer cars & trucks, sniff & look see testing? Dave ---- Good questions- it's convoluted. Current requirements for gas-powered: Anything '75 model year and older are completely exempt- no visual and no tailpipe test- you simply pay your fee when tags are due yearly. '76 & up to 1999. Every-other-year inspections including visual and tailpipe sniffer, with some models on a 2-speed dyno test. (Dyno'd for vehicles identified by the Air Resources Board as potential "gross polluters") 2001 up to models less than 8 model years old: OBDII reading test with non-dyno'd tailpipe -unless it's a flagged potential gross polluter model, then it's still 2-speed dyno'd with the tailpipe sniffer) 8 model years old up to current model year -1: No test, but pay an annual smog abatement fee with registration tags Smog tests are also required for any sale/transfer from '76 up to 4 model years old, paid by seller and presented with title transfer. Diesels '97 and older are exempt Motorcycles are exempt Full-electrics are exempt (Hybrids need tested according to outline above) Visuals can vary widely in actual execution, and it's more of a checklist for presence and operation- However, this the official list depending on presence as original equipment: Underhood Emission Label Smog Pump Exhaust Gas Recirculation Valve/EGR Positive Crankcase Ventilation/PCV Charcoal Canister/EVAP System Catalytic Converter Oxygen Sensor Supplemental Air Injection System Carburetor Pre-Heat Tube Air Filter & Housing (big one- non-oem is a no-no even for fuel injected and MAS-equipped) Throttle Position Sensor Engine Coolant Temp Sensor Manifold Absolute Pressure Crankshaft Position Sensor Camshaft Position Sensor Intake Air Temperature Sensor They also look for cracked vacuum lines, plugged ports, connected hoses, etc. If something catches their attention, they'll consult their documentation for details. Any non-OEM equipment has to have a manufacturer-sought exemption through the Air Resources Board, and few do- it's an expensive process and the pieces have a sticker on them with a code that is supposed to be present at inspection. If they note it's not OEM, and there's no sticker, it's a fail and retest. It's an onerous process, and pricey. Most the older and potential gross polluter flags are assigned to a "STAR" station that has a special state certification, and tend to be fewer in number and more expensive. It's quite a system- even just getting the bar moved from '75 to '82 for exemptions simplify the considerations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Cecil Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 Good questions- it's convoluted. Current requirements for gas-powered: Anything '75 model year and older are completely exempt- no visual and no tailpipe test- you simply pay your fee when tags are due yearly. '76 & up to 1999. Every-other-year inspections including visual and tailpipe sniffer, with some models on a 2-speed dyno test. (Dyno'd for vehicles identified by the Air Resources Board as potential "gross polluters") 2001 up to models less than 8 model years old: OBDII reading test with non-dyno'd tailpipe -unless it's a flagged potential gross polluter model, then it's still 2-speed dyno'd with the tailpipe sniffer) 8 model years old up to current model year -1: No test, but pay an annual smog abatement fee with registration tags Smog tests are also required for any sale/transfer from '76 up to 4 model years old, paid by seller and presented with title transfer. Diesels '97 and older are exempt Motorcycles are exempt Full-electrics are exempt (Hybrids need tested according to outline above) Visuals can vary widely in actual execution, and it's more of a checklist for presence and operation- However, this the official list depending on presence as original equipment: Underhood Emission Label Smog Pump Exhaust Gas Recirculation Valve/EGR Positive Crankcase Ventilation/PCV Charcoal Canister/EVAP System Catalytic Converter Oxygen Sensor Supplemental Air Injection System Carburetor Pre-Heat Tube Air Filter & Housing (big one- non-oem is a no-no even for fuel injected and MAS-equipped) Throttle Position Sensor Engine Coolant Temp Sensor Manifold Absolute Pressure Crankshaft Position Sensor Camshaft Position Sensor Intake Air Temperature Sensor They also look for cracked vacuum lines, plugged ports, connected hoses, etc. If something catches their attention, they'll consult their documentation for details. Any non-OEM equipment has to have a manufacturer-sought exemption through the Air Resources Board, and few do- it's an expensive process and the pieces have a sticker on them with a code that is supposed to be present at inspection. If they note it's not OEM, and there's no sticker, it's a fail and retest. It's an onerous process, and pricey. Most the older and potential gross polluter flags are assigned to a "STAR" station that has a special state certification, and tend to be fewer in number and more expensive. It's quite a system- even just getting the bar moved from '75 to '82 for exemptions simplify the considerations. California is good at one thing....over regulating everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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