E4OD For Dad’s Truck

[85lebaront2]

Interesting point. But, we would need to factor in that Bill is re-flashing the ECM’s to do SEFI as well as changing the shift points and harshness on the tranny. So, if an ECM went south and you had to replace it the engine would probably run and the transmission would shift, but not like it had with the old one.

Tim had another point I forgot to mention. Since my build theme is “As Ford Could Have Done It”, why not use the EFI manifold off a Windsor?

Gary, I have several spares, and if I am going on a long run with my 21 year old Ford PCM, I can carry a pre-flashed spare. I am using the EEC-V units which are OBD-II compliant and can be flashed through the OBD-II port, as for Dan Lee, I know him, he and I had a long back and forth about using a diesel TCM to control the E4OD in his 1983 F150 5.0L truck. We have also had some discussion about problems with his 434 Tim Meyer engine. He just lives in Dover DE.

If you want to get into EFI on Dad's truck, and use the EEC-V system, we will need to get some outside assistance as far as some tokens to do the initial "crack" of the Ford programming, once that is done, I can reflash until the nether regions freeze over, oh wait, that has already happened twice, when Chevy and Toyota formed NUMMI and again when NNS and Electric Boat started the Virginia class subs.

The group is called Core Tuning, Adam Marrer, Ben Head and Clint Garrity are the individuals, Ben is in Oklahoma City, Adam in Rochester NY and Clint in Dixon CA. The software is Binary Editor and it runs in Windows.

[85lebaront2]

Bill - You are using the Ford computer, reflashed, to run both the EFI and the tranny - right? If so, what would be your guesstimate in cost to replicate that setup? A Baumann controller is ~$800, and it doesn’t do EFI.

I was initially reluctant to follow in your steps because I didn’t need the tranny part of it, and didn’t want to have an unknown injection setup while breaking in the engine. But, the engine is well and truly broken in and I now need the tranny controller. So, I would think your setup would work, even on a 400. I could have Tim tap his adapters that fit a 351C manifold to a raised-block M, and put the injectors there.

As for the speedo, I think I have the electronic sensor that came with the BW1356, and if I remember correctly it has both a speedocable connection and an electrical connection. Wouldn’t that work?

Yes, the speedo cable sensor combo was what the 90 F250 used.

[Gary Lewis]

Gary, I have several spares, and if I am going on a long run with my 21 year old Ford PCM, I can carry a pre-flashed spare. I am using the EEC-V units which are OBD-II compliant and can be flashed through the OBD-II port, as for Dan Lee, I know him, he and I had a long back and forth about using a diesel TCM to control the E4OD in his 1983 F150 5.0L truck. We have also had some discussion about problems with his 434 Tim Meyer engine. He just lives in Dover DE.

If you want to get into EFI on Dad's truck, and use the EEC-V system, we will need to get some outside assistance as far as some tokens to do the initial "crack" of the Ford programming, once that is done, I can reflash until the nether regions freeze over, oh wait, that has already happened twice, when Chevy and Toyota formed NUMMI and again when NNS and Electric Boat started the Virginia class subs.

The group is called Core Tuning, Adam Marrer, Ben Head and Clint Garrity are the individuals, Ben is in Oklahoma City, Adam in Rochester NY and Clint in Dixon CA. The software is Binary Editor and it runs in Windows.

Dan lives in lower, slower Delaware? Cool! Used to live just out of Wilmington and have been to the race in Dover many times. Wish I could have met Dan. What problems is he having with the engine?

As for the EEC-V system, did you ever do the parts list on what it'll take?

On the Core Tuning group, maybe I need to get to know Ben Head, for two reasons. First, to learn how to to crack the code. Second, to get him to come up to the show next year.

[85lebaront2]

Dan lives in lower, slower Delaware? Cool! Used to live just out of Wilmington and have been to the race in Dover many times. Wish I could have met Dan. What problems is he having with the engine?

As for the EEC-V system, did you ever do the parts list on what it'll take?

On the Core Tuning group, maybe I need to get to know Ben Head, for two reasons. First, to learn how to to crack the code. Second, to get him to come up to the show next year.

Not the engine, his electronics, he is using a Mustang EEC-IV MAF system and the infamous "salt and pepper shaker" connectors, two connectors, one white and one black that tie the engine harness to the body harness and are famous for bad connections. The EEC-V processor you need will have a hardware code of ML1-441, this is V8 w/E4OD, easily found in 1996-7 trucks with 351 and E4OD, including E series, I can give you a list of catch codes, but the ML1-441 hardware code is all you really need. The truck Chad Meador has is a 460 SD system but does have the E4OD and 4WD system.

[Gary Lewis]

Not the engine, his electronics, he is using a Mustang EEC-IV MAF system and the infamous "salt and pepper shaker" connectors, two connectors, one white and one black that tie the engine harness to the body harness and are famous for bad connections. The EEC-V processor you need will have a hardware code of ML1-441, this is V8 w/E4OD, easily found in 1996-7 trucks with 351 and E4OD, including E series, I can give you a list of catch codes, but the ML1-441 hardware code is all you really need. The truck Chad Meador has is a 460 SD system but does have the E4OD and 4WD system.

This one is available a lot closer than Chad's: https://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/d/parting-out-1990-f250/6296119046.html. But what differences are there between a '90 F250 and a '93 F350? Are the harnesses different?

You mentioned drive shafts, but the 350's have bigger u-joints. Remember, Dad's is a 150. So even the 250's drive shafts will be bigger and take different/bigger u-joints. Right?

Yes, I'd really like to have a list so I can get my head around what I need, and how complex this will be. It doesn't have to be perfect the first round, but anything will get me started. Thanks!

[85lebaront2]

This one is available a lot closer than Chad's: https://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/d/parting-out-1990-f250/6296119046.html. But what differences are there between a '90 F250 and a '93 F350? Are the harnesses different?

You mentioned drive shafts, but the 350's have bigger u-joints. Remember, Dad's is a 150. So even the 250's drive shafts will be bigger and take different/bigger u-joints. Right?

Yes, I'd really like to have a list so I can get my head around what I need, and how complex this will be. It doesn't have to be perfect the first round, but anything will get me started. Thanks!

1990 E4OD is what I have, harnesses on the pre-1992 trucks use a bunch of various color round 8 pin connectors for the engine, transmission and rear chassis harness. Engine differences, heads are the biggest difference, EFI 460s used E7TZ heads from 1988-1992, after that they went to F3TZ heads which flow better.

Transfer case, don't know, shifter, you can probably use the column as is, just change the switch wiring, 1990 has a dash mounted OD switch. The 1990 is a linkage shifter setup and should drop in. Crossmember, probably fit. Is 1990 still a TTB setup? might be good parts for Big Blue. I have the mating front harness for plugs if needed.

[Gary Lewis]

1990 E4OD is what I have, harnesses on the pre-1992 trucks use a bunch of various color round 8 pin connectors for the engine, transmission and rear chassis harness. Engine differences, heads are the biggest difference, EFI 460s used E7TZ heads from 1988-1992, after that they went to F3TZ heads which flow better.

Transfer case, don't know, shifter, you can probably use the column as is, just change the switch wiring, 1990 has a dash mounted OD switch. The 1990 is a linkage shifter setup and should drop in. Crossmember, probably fit. Is 1990 still a TTB setup? might be good parts for Big Blue. I have the mating front harness for plugs if needed.

So, are you saying the ‘90 would be as good as the ‘93 for what I want to do? Sure would be a lot easier and cheaper to get. I’ll call the guy to find out more about it.

[85lebaront2]

So, are you saying the ‘90 would be as good as the ‘93 for what I want to do? Sure would be a lot easier and cheaper to get. I’ll call the guy to find out more about it.

Probably will be, from either truck, upper plenum and throttle body for the 408 EFI along with distributor, and TFI module. If it is an early production 1990 it will have the oil cooler setup I have which will be great for Big Blue. Too bad it's still halfway across the country, front sheet metal looks to be in decent shape. Maybe just yank the 460 and stick it somewhere for parts (some will fit on Darth, some for your 408 EFI). Computer, probably no good for you, but if you pull the front doghouse complete to facilitate the powertrain removal, everything plugs in. Save the wiring you can, it will help later. You will need to find a 1996/7 OBS truck with an EEC-V system for the front harness (which gives you the nice PDC I have) in order to get the OBD-II port and 104 pin EEC connector. You can get the stuff from a car or E series, but all that will do is give you the 104 pin connector and OBD-II port and the wiring is different on the cars.

1987-91 trucks used a round connector on the driver's side, again, if he still has them, the factory tanks should go right on Dad's and have the proper fuel lines to get to the top of the engine (I can't believe you aren't going to use a Carterbrock )

[Gary Lewis]

So, are you saying the ‘90 would be as good as the ‘93 for what I want to do? Sure would be a lot easier and cheaper to get. I’ll call the guy to find out more about it.

Just talked to the guy about the ‘90. Or, maybe I should call it a ‘45 as they cut the truck in half, right through the frame behind the cab. They are keeping the rear half and selling the front half. Said if it had trailing wheels it would pull itself around as they’ve plugged the transfer case output and the engine, tranny, and transfer case work fine.

However, it is supposedly sold to someone how hasn’t come to get it nor paid yet. So we are going to give it a couple of weeks and. Then I’ll check back to see if it is still available. He’s asking $800, but I think he will take less as it has been listed for a month at this point.

Not knowing where Chad’s truck is in Indiana, I picked Terre Haute and did the math. Almost 1200 miles round trip is about $250 in gas. Adding in a hotel room and meals makes paying the local guy $800 seem seem like a fair deal - and I can do it in half a day. Plus, there’s less to get rid of when the picking is done. But, there’s the issue of how to get it on my new trailer w/o rear wheels. Hmmm.

So, Bill, what else do I need beyond what that ‘90 would have? And, how do the injectors mount on a 460?

[Gary Lewis]

Probably will be, from either truck, upper plenum and throttle body for the 408 EFI along with distributor, and TFI module. If it is an early production 1990 it will have the oil cooler setup I have which will be great for Big Blue. Too bad it's still halfway across the country, front sheet metal looks to be in decent shape. Maybe just yank the 460 and stick it somewhere for parts (some will fit on Darth, some for your 408 EFI). Computer, probably no good for you, but if you pull the front doghouse complete to facilitate the powertrain removal, everything plugs in. Save the wiring you can, it will help later. You will need to find a 1996/7 OBS truck with an EEC-V system for the front harness (which gives you the nice PDC I have) in order to get the OBD-II port and 104 pin EEC connector. You can get the stuff from a car or E series, but all that will do is give you the 104 pin connector and OBD-II port and the wiring is different on the cars.

1987-91 trucks used a round connector on the driver's side, again, if he still has them, the factory tanks should go right on Dad's and have the proper fuel lines to get to the top of the engine (I can't believe you aren't going to use a Carterbrock )

Oops, you posted while I was typing. I think he has the tanks and driveshafts. Hmmmm.