ArdWrknTrk Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Bill - I was afraid that I’d need to reflash the computer to tune things, but needed to ask the question. So, I’ll plan on buying into Core Tuning. And, maybe I can get Ben to come up to next year’s show. Was just email chatting with Dan Lee, who has joined the forum and will soon chime in, and the crazy thought of EFI’ing Big Blue came to mind. After all, I’ll have the ‘90 as well as all the parts Jim is sending to me. But, if I remember correctly, the EFI heads are different so the EFI intake probably won’t bolt to the carb heads. And while I’ll have the EFI heads on the ‘90, there’s something different about the exhaust so I’d have to use the manifolds that are on the ‘90 instead of the headers. Also, there’s a difference in combustion chamber size - what is the resulting CR with EFI heads on a carb block? As for the 351W intake, there are aftermarket parts that bolt right on and provide more power. But I’ve always thought the tubing of the factory units was cool, and that would fit with the theme of Dad’s truck - As Ford could have done it. Last, Tim didn’t design the new Track Boss intakes. Turns out a guy named Gary did, and he came to the show in September. We talked at length as I was wanting him to design an intake for an M-block with designated spots for injectors, but he didn’t seem to be ready to do that. However, maybe I should look him up and ask the 400 and 460 question. I’ll do that. 👍 What do you want to know about 460 heads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted October 27, 2017 Author Share Posted October 27, 2017 What do you want to know about 460 heads? Just looked up what you said earlier - early EFI engines had heads with larger combustion chambers, so the ‘90 heads on Big Blue’s block would kill compression. And because of the different valve geometry there are valve cutouts in the pistons, so I’d probably have interference. Looks like EFI’ing Big Blue wouldn’t be easy. 🙈 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdWrknTrk Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Just looked up what you said earlier - early EFI engines had heads with larger combustion chambers, so the ‘90 heads on Big Blue’s block would kill compression. And because of the different valve geometry there are valve cutouts in the pistons, so I’d probably have interference. Looks like EFI’ing Big Blue wouldn’t be easy. 🙈No they don't really have larger chambers than D3VE's To be clear, for efi there are E7's & F3's. Both *engines* have *slightly* higher compression than carbed. E7's have a tiny piston dish, and the same deck height as D3.F3's have smaller chambers but the same dish volume as D3.... but are closer to the top of the hole. You can check all this out on Scott's site. Afa efi on carbed heads idk. Price not only makes the CS460-EFI they also make carb intake to EFI plates that fit where the manifold to head junction is. On Oct 27, 2017 8:40 AM, "Gary Lewis [via Bullnose Enthusiasts]" <redacted_email_address> wrote: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted October 27, 2017 Author Share Posted October 27, 2017 Jim - I’m getting lost. First, I tried to find Scott’s site and found http://reincarnation-automotive.com/products. Is that it? If so, I can’t find the info you referenced about heads. Do you have a link? Second, are you saying the early EFI heads, like those on the ‘90 which are probably E7’s, will work on Big Blue? Sorry if I’m dense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdWrknTrk Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Jim - I’m getting lost. First, I tried to find Scott’s site and found http://reincarnation-automotive.com/products. Is that it? If so, I can’t find the info you referenced about heads. Do you have a link? Second, are you saying the early EFI heads, like those on the ‘90 which are probably E7’s, will work on Big Blue? Sorry if I’m dense. Yes, but no. It's now Parkland Performance Machine, as I noted in the build thread. His site is antiquated and confusing mishmash. Maybe what I know comes from the paid portion. All EFI heads have different intake and exhaust ports than carb. I need to sign off now. Things are too busy here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted October 27, 2017 Author Share Posted October 27, 2017 Yes, but no. It's now Parkland Performance Machine, as I noted in the build thread. His site is antiquated and confusing mishmash. Maybe what I know comes from the paid portion. All EFI heads have different intake and exhaust ports than carb. I need to sign off now. Things are too busy here. That link actually goes to Parkland Performance Machine. And you are right, the site is hard to use. There’s no search function, so no way to find anything but poke around. But then I run into the paid section pretty quickly, and not knowing if it actually has what I’m looking for I’m not going there. I’ll continue to research the question of EFI heads on a block/piston combo for a carb, but so far what I’m seeing is that it’ll work. I could use the complete harness/intake/exhaust from the ‘90, including the EEV-IV computer on a Big Blue. However, the computer is for an E4OD so that would have to be turned off for the ZF5. But, if I buy into Core Tuning that should be fairly easy - I assume. However, if I’m in that far I might change it to SEFI. Can anyone spell SCOPE CREEP??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
85lebaront2 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 That link actually goes to Parkland Performance Machine. And you are right, the site is hard to use. There’s no search function, so no way to find anything but poke around. But then I run into the paid section pretty quickly, and not knowing if it actually has what I’m looking for I’m not going there. I’ll continue to research the question of EFI heads on a block/piston combo for a carb, but so far what I’m seeing is that it’ll work. I could use the complete harness/intake/exhaust from the ‘90, including the EEV-IV computer on a Big Blue. However, the computer is for an E4OD so that would have to be turned off for the ZF5. But, if I buy into Core Tuning that should be fairly easy - I assume. However, if I’m in that far I might change it to SEFI. Can anyone spell SCOPE CREEP??? I have an EEC-IV for a manual transmission 460, it is bank fired, but even the CA spec 96s came bank fird for MT. Biggest issue, if you do it on Big Blue, unless that engine has smaller dish pistons than stock, you will have what I have on Darth now, around 8.0 to one or less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
85lebaront2 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 The valves are a little bigger on the F3 heads, that is what is on Darth's new engine, pistons for the 1988-92, F3 heads set up for 9.3 compression and a mild cam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Lewis Posted October 27, 2017 Author Share Posted October 27, 2017 I have an EEC-IV for a manual transmission 460, it is bank fired, but even the CA spec 96s came bank fird for MT. Biggest issue, if you do it on Big Blue, unless that engine has smaller dish pistons than stock, you will have what I have on Darth now, around 8.0 to one or less. Can IV's be changed to sequential, or just V's? I'm not really sure I want to do the conversion to EFI on Big Blue, but doubt it would be worth it to convert to bank-fire. The truck runs so well on the Edelbrock that there's no compelling reason to change that I can think of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
85lebaront2 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Can IV's be changed to sequential, or just V's? I'm not really sure I want to do the conversion to EFI on Big Blue, but doubt it would be worth it to convert to bank-fire. The truck runs so well on the Edelbrock that there's no compelling reason to change that I can think of. Short answer, no, has to be built for SEFI, but, the Mustang computers can be re-sequenced and used on a manual transmission. A lot of people have done that and some have used a separate trans controller for the E4OD. EEC-V from a 1996 302 truck might be SEFI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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